Questions Sudarshan Kriya Practitioners Should Ask Themselves
by anonymous
In the year 1999 – 2000, the Master had declared that by the time he turns 80, every house will have a picture of His. The whole world would have done the AOL course but only a small segment of the world population would not practice SK (despite having done the course), for religious reasons.
We were made to believe that those who did SK would be liberated and those who didn’t would be doomed. “We have waited for many, many lifetimes to be with Guruji and receive SK”, we were told by teachers.
I am not sure about many, many lifetimes but I’m sure that after many, many years of SK practice, I know which section of the population is doomed.
It is really unfortunate that some of us were manipulated by AOL.
If there are any new / old AOLites practicing SK, reading this blog, then here are some questions that you need to ask yourselves & the appropriate authorities.
- Is this technique working for me?
How do I feel at the different levels of my existence i.e Body, mind, memory etc..after doing sadhana?
You may remind yourself that : It may have worked for someone but that is their experience, not mine. I have to respect my experience. - Am I experiencing any benefits from this technique NOW?
When you are on the path of truth you don’t need to wait for a decade or more to experience the benefits. - Do the teachers who teach the technique practice it themselves? If not, why not?
- Is this technique Harming anyone? If it is, then its definitely not universal as its touted to be.
- Do you understand the technique so that you practice it correctly?
- Do the Master and the organisation allow you to discuss the technique / Problems related to the technique in an open forum and answer the questions directly, taking ownership for what they?
- If the technique IS Working for You and Not for Others, why is it not working for them, especially if its done under a teachers supervision?
- How long might it take before the good feeling fades away and You start feeling the negative effects? If you have been practicing SK for some years, then are you alert and aware of how the technique is working on you NOW or are the initial good experiences propelling you to continue the practice?
- Look at the list of benefits that AOL propagates will come with SK practice. And, check –
How many benefits you are experiencing and how many you are not. For those benefits that your not experiencing, lets say, Good memory, ASK the GURU / SR teachers in an open forum as to why SK is not helping you with your memory. Open forum, so that the answer benefits all.And, Lets understand, IF the medical reports say that you are fine, then you don’t need any medication to improve your memory be it allopathic OR AYURVEDIC. Why is SK not helping then? After all, AOL says that SK will help improve your memory, right? not to mention that with SK there won’t be any need for hospitals!
- Always check how you felt before SK and how you feel now, after practicing SK and being in AOL. After 1yr, after 2yrs, 3yrs and so on. Do the realty check for as long as you continue there.
- If SK works differently on different people, depending on their karmas,
Then How can the long kriya / RS’ rhythm be the same for all the different people? Breath is a common tool for all , nature of the mind and feelings are the same, agreed. However, each person’s body-mind complex is so different based on their karmas?.
We think and feel differently about different things. We look different and have unique finger prints. So, My rhythm is unique to me based on my body-mind complex. Its for me to observe and find out.
OR Does this mean that AOL insinuates that RS is Enlightened and hence can give the Whole World One Liberating Rhythm?
Even if RS was enlightened, how can our rhythms be the same when there are varieties even in enlightenment? (as I vaguely remember Him saying.)
And if long kriya was to take us back to the source, why should it be so tiring to breathe in that rhythm? (at least it was until the SK tape was revised). Was the tape revised because / after he acquired all the 16 gunas ? (something that RS shared with the chosen few about 4yrs ago when he, as claimed by himself, had JUST acquired complete enlightenment with 16 gunas.)
If its all about 99% grace and 1% technique, then there should be no negative side effects.
The Sr.teachers, of all the people, should have been practicing the technique with the benefits reflecting in their behavior and health. The Guru should acknowledge his devotees’ questions about the technique and explain how 99% grace cannot let any harm happen to them.
If you are a sadhak doing sadhana or a sevak who enjoys seva, please understand that Spirituality, charity, service etc starts with you and then extends gradually to your family, friends, city, country and the world. So, please dont ignore yourself thinking about the world. You, who are a very tiny part of the world are still very important to yourself, your loved ones and also to the world!
So, what’s important is – How peaceful you feel within yourself and How compassionate you are towards others. And, that’s where the WORLD PEACE begins – From You.
Good Luck to All.
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Beyond The Art of Living 
Excellent post. The questions are precise and will lead to greater clarity of thought. If I practiced SK, I would definitely introspect and reflect and try to find answers. And, I completely agree with the concluding sentences of this post — world peace does indeed begin with each one of us — and the more compassionate we become, the more humane we will be.
Introspection is required not only for SK or RS, but for all the things that try to influence us. What is required for our body (for one’s self) is to be observed and adapted by us. As you rightly said, no two things are identical and we have to find ourselves what we need. I also attended the basic course and even attend long kriyas sometimes accompanying my wife (who is AoL teacher). But I found that I could not do that “So…Hum” for long. I do for 5 to 8 mins and sit quite when others continue. What I found is – just 2 or 3 minutes of that exercise is enough. On other days, I do 25 mins walking, 15 mins standing exercises, 15 mins floor exercises (yoga like), 10 mins pranayam (Kapal Bati, Anulom vilom, Bastrika, incl. “So…Hum”). Actualy I combine all the things and have my own package to suit to my needs. And it is working well.
As far as other things (you mentioned) are concerned, I fail to understand how people get carried away by the dramas of “divinity”, “mystic power”, “enlightenment”, etc. Of course, if they are enjoying there is no issue. There is no point in blaming those who enact these dramas. Both the guru and the follower may be enacting this drama (and of course enjoying it). And, there is no use in highlighting these, as many of the followers are high profile people (incl. the so called intelectuals) and they may have some purpose. I don’t think all people are fools, they might have their agenda and the fools (like us) don’t understand. Actually they are more intelligent than us, they achieve what they want (of course at the cost of others).
@ anyone who is reading
The education system in India is flawed. However, measures are being taken to facilitate critical thinking skills. If these skills are harmful according to Mr. Ravi Shankar, I demand that he oppose these measures and make his stand known to all Indian and Foreign Nationals.
I have said since the beginning that AoL is anti-education and anti-thinking and anti-equality and anti-individuality and anti-humanity. It brainwashes people and drastically damages their ability to think critically — whether it is about SK or AoL. It erodes the self-confidence of individuals. I have experienced this very, very personally and also read enough on this blog to be able to see that I am not the only one who has suffered.
I support the measures listed in the following article that appeared in the Indian Express today. This means, in no uncertain terms, that there will be a future in which Indians will wake up to the brainwashing that AoL or any other similar outfit is subjecting them to. The truth will prevail.
And, please, this does not mean that there aren’t spectacular people in AoL. Everyone has the potential to be spectacular. The most spectacular person I have ever met is currently completely brainwashed and working for AoL.
I applaud Skywalker and Klim yet again for raising all the issues they have raised through their blogs. I see clearly what is at the core of their argument — they stand for critical thinking skills and AoL stands for brainwashing by planting contradictions in the minds of devotees. It’s as simple as that.
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/cbse-xii-exam-to-be-rejigged-to-test-thought-not-rote/958921/0
After having scrapped the Class 10 Board exams and switched from marks to grades in CBSE schools, the central government school board will now rework question papers.
Questions for Classes 10 and 12 will be reformulated and restructured to encourage students to apply their mind. The human resource development (HRD) ministry feels that the existing formats encourage learning by rote, and do not require students to solve problems and view them from varied perspectives.
The new questions will aim to test a student’s intellectual capability and her ability to apply knowledge, rather than her capacity to memorize from the text.
A CBSE curriculum committee has begun work on the project, and will begin consulting subject experts to create a bank of the new questions, to be rolled out for almost all subjects in the Class 10 and 12 exams in 2013.
“It will be in subjective type question-answer format, but with a fresh approach. There are two aspects — one is to change the very nature of question papers to encourage genuine application of thought and mind by students and test the comprehension of what they are studying, the other aspect is to bring context and a sense of values through questions,” a senior member of the CBSE curriculum committee said.
“Time and again, it has been said that modern school education lacks in social and universal values. The idea is to correct this not only through curriculum and pedagogy but also through questioning in a way that concepts like gender equality and equity are brought in, and students are thereby able to distinguish between what is in tune with values and what is not,” the committee member added.
An example of the new format: Students will be given a passage to study almost two months before the exams. They will know that they will be questioned on the passage, but will not know the nature of the questions — which will test them on their understanding of the passage.
A mathematics question involving universal good values could be on the division of property between siblings — with the aspect of the girl child getting an equal share weaved in, CBSE sources said.
i know few teachers who don’t practices it daily, once a week only. about senior teachers, one of my AOL friends is close to some senior teacher, during her advance course she was the one who was taking care of everything for teacher, she told me that, teacher himself told her that he does SK once or twice a week. She also told me that she saw different kind of energetic tablets and drinks in teachers bags, when she asked about those, teacher told her that to increase stamina, and bring glow to there face and for energy level they have it. i found it very strange.
@Wander- What you said is true, this is the case for almost all aol teachers,Ravi knows about this, that is the reason Sri SRi Ayurveda is more focused on cosmetic products, look at Ravi, he uses alot of cosmetics :). Ravi once said anthar mukhi stah sukhi, which means look inside yourself and be happy, now all these people are looking mirror to know thier own beauty and uses external things to improve bueaty. Funny AOL and its leader ….
Current manthra of aol is
“Bahar Mukhi, Satha Dhukhi” (Looking outside and miserable all th etime)
Sri Sri also carries many tablets, vitamins and creams in his black bag and in his rooms in all the ashrams!!! And the rose scent that comes out of him, is an oil essence, not his own, as he claims! It’s all make over for good marketing, all for his pocket, which for him “his pocket” = saving the world. Very cute.
AOL exploring chinese market-
http://www.dingding.tv/bencandy.php?fid=85&mid=102&id=4037
Doesn’t Rajshree looks stressed and sick in this video for some reason?
for ‘some reason’? LOL! Hasn’t she been with Art of Living and RAvi Shankar since the 80s or early 90s? That might explain her malaise, if there is one.
@ Anon
“Sri Sri also carries many tablets, vitamins and creams in his black bag and in his rooms in all the ashrams!!!”
RS is going all-out spreading myths about SK and its benefits,whereas He and His teachers are a bundle of diseases themselves! What will this man heal the world , when he cant even take care of himself and his chosen ones.
“If its all about 99% grace and 1% technique, then there should be no negative side effects”
I now wonder, How can someone, who makes you dependent on them (their grace), ever be a spiritual person? Isn’t spirituality about ridding oneself from all the crutches?
By surrendering to the master / depending on his grace, am I not getting Bound to HIm?
Am I not impeding my blossoming by throwing away my intellect, my self esteem at His feet?
Why should I crave for a few drops of energy that the Master might give me? If the technique is a genuinely spiritual technique then why do I need the middle man “RS” to shower his grace? the technique should work well by itself!
I should be able to tap into my own source power.
Why does AOL propound guru’s grace and surrendering to the Guru so much?
Is the Master himself a victim of his ego? A victim of his own cravings?
When people experience the benefits from SK or AOL wont they naturally feel grateful and thank the master?
Why do the masters core disciples & swamis take pride in introducing themselves by stating their qualification or social status? Is that not a crutch? Weren’t these people supposed to have renounced their materialistic/ worldy identities the day they were initiated to become a swami / Rishi? How spiritually evolved are these close devotees?
Why does the master introduce his rich, famous, intelligent and good looking devotees stating their riches / qualification?
He actually uses them as pawns. Sometimes as objects (good looking people) – as a status symbol.
Is this needed in the spiritual world? And, can such a materialistic man liberate others?
IS AOL a spiritual organisation at all?
@VSS
“The education system in India is flawed. However, measures are being taken to facilitate critical thinking skills. If these skills are harmful according to Mr. Ravi Shankar, I demand that he oppose these measures and make his stand known to all Indian and Foreign Nationals.”
That is absolutely correct, VSS. By now, all those who have moved on from Cults know the value of critical thinking. All the God given senses should be used as they were given for a reason….to nourish our soul. Unless we use them, we cannot appreciate what the world/ nature has to offer us. We cannot learn, we cannot evolve as humans let alone spiritual evolution. If one surrenders one’s senses or represses them then its as good as being dead from the inside. What’s the point then in being alive from the outside and feigning a smile?
That’s NOT Living its “THE ART OF FEIGNING.”
@anonymous “I am not sure about many, many lifetimes but I’m sure that after many, many years of SK practice, I know which section of the population is doomed.”
this is such a classic line and so funny! LOL
Has anyone come across a person doing long kriya regularly every week for 3 to 5 years and still appears healthy like others of his/her age. It doesn’t matter whether they are doing home kriya or not.
Next time when you attend long kriya sessions look for such a person and talk to him/her if you find one. Find out whether his/her memory has worsened and other health problems after starting long kriya.
There is no research conducted on long-term practicants of long kriya. Practicing long kriya on long term basis seems to be injurious to one’s health.
“Has anyone come across a person doing long kriya regularly every week for 3 to 5 years and still appears healthy ”
I have come across many of them.
I personally don’t do long kriya so often(time and access issues) and then do short kriya only when it feels like. I meditate everyday without fail though- come what may.
As soon as I say the above, blog junkies like you will say things like
“ah… if he meditates everyday how come he uses bad words, doesn’t look peaceful…the technique is useless his guru is useless” and blah blah blah
The problem is that your thinking has become irreparably crooked because of the ideas which you have in your head. If someone meditates then they should be calm and peaceful? Why ?
You need to have a scientific thinking about this. For example- if you are on a BP lowering medication- the amount of BP lowered by it, will depend on your baseline BP. If you have BP on a very high side to begin with , the amount lowered might be less than someone else who has lower baseline BP and even though the drug has an equal effect your BP might still be high than someone who has a lower baseline BP
So if someone is not healthy even after doing SK and meditation – is it possible that they could have been worse without it? It is. May be they are doing SK and meditation because they were not well to begin with and SK has slowed down the progression? Classical example of selection bias!
But these ideas wont come to you….because all you are interested in is- making quick judgements- judgements which suit your crooked thinking.
The problem which you guys will have for the rest of your life(unless you start meditating) is – that this crooked thinking is not only affecting your attitude towards SK ,AOL and meditation- but everything else in your life as well…and will make you sad and miserable.
@ Harshal [June 14, 2012 1:15 pm]
— “ah… if he meditates everyday how come he uses bad words, doesn’t look peaceful…the technique is useless his guru is useless” and blah blah blah
The problem is that your thinking has become irreparably crooked because of the ideas which you have in your head. If someone meditates then they should be calm and peaceful? Why ?
You need to have a scientific thinking about this. For example- if you are on a BP lowering medication- the amount of BP lowered by it, will depend on your baseline BP. If you have BP on a very high side to begin with , the amount lowered might be less than someone else who has lower baseline BP and even though the drug has an equal effect your BP might still be high than someone who has a lower baseline BP
So if someone is not healthy even after doing SK and meditation – is it possible that they could have been worse without it? It is. —
Without SK and meditation, were you more abusive ?
Did you use more profanity ?
Were you physically violent ?
Were you even more disrespectful than you are now ?
What do people who knew you before you started SK and meditation and know you now say — about the change in you ?
If — say — on a scale of 1-100 — you were at 1 before SK and meditation, where are you at now ?
Are you being relatively less disrespectful because of The Doctor or because of additional SK and meditation in the last few days ?
Do you think that after some more time, you will completely stop talking down to people and become a compassionate human being ?
Please do share the extent of transformation in you and the further transformation that can be expected.
By when will you become a compassionate human being and completely stop talking down to people ?
By when will you completely stop making derogatory judgmental references to absolutely anyone ?
By when are you expecting to attain that kind of enlightenment ?
I am asking these questions very seriously. I have not come across any post where you detail the extent to which you have benefited from your association with AoL — and the extent to which you expect to benefit from your association with AoL in the near future. If such a post exists, I would appreciate it very much if you could link me to it.
Thank you.
@Harshal Bhau,
Tell the people at AOL to conduct trials regarding the safety of the SKY. It is AOL people who say that SKY is safe thus the burden of proof lies on them. Let them do this research, just as they did the enormous research to show the efficacy of SKY, and lay all speculation to rest.
“The problem is that your thinking has become irreparably crooked because of the ideas which you have in your head. If someone meditates then they should be calm and peaceful? Why ?”
Here’s a better question – what other purpose does it serve? To make people more angry and agitated? What does the organization say the purpose of meditation is? Is to become abusive? So what Harshal is saying is my mind has become crooked because I expect meditation to make people calm and peaceful? Poor Harshal…
Then, Harshal, you are bearing witness to and are walking proof of something “His Holiness” once said to me: that I shouldn’t complain about the foul language and behavior of many of the ashramites, because his ashram is a place for mental patients, and that many of those devotees would, if left on the outside, be criminals, doing horrible things. So I guess your “baseline” as you put it, was something like that? And so the nasty way you now behave is actually an improvement?? And how long did this take? How many long kriyas because you became so mellow?
@ Anonymous
” There is no research conducted on long-term practicants of long kriya. ”
I would like to add that “There is no research conducted on long-term practice of short kriya” either.
I found the local centers too unhygienic to practice a breathing technique. The carpets or the place was never cleaned so I practiced short Kriya at home.
I remember people complaining that after practicing SK they would feel lethargic and sleep a lot. Some people complained about lack of awareness and poor memory. These sensible people QUIT practicing SK or I can say that family responsibilities made them discontinue their practice because it was hindering in their daily life responsibilities.
I remember a case where a participant in a part -1 course became so uncomfortable while practicing the 1st days Long kriya that he kept raising his hand for help. The teacher gave him some water to drink and then asked him to continue.
BTW, Remember the Masters instruction in the Long kriya tape?
“Continue, come what may do not stop breathing.”
So the participant continued for a while and then stopped following any instruction and just lied down. The teacher pressed him to continue breathing lying down!! He kept complaining that he was feeling dizzy and had a bad headache. The teacher as trained in the part – 1 TTC said that all the discomfort was a sign of the toxins getting cleared.
In my case, the toxins were getting cleared even after a decades practice of SK.
Of late HIS teachers have learned to give answers like ” the energy level must have become very high” to any concern on side effects.
To cut a long story short, there are not many people who continue with SK. Once they start having problems they stop the practice. RS knows this very well. How many people go for follow up?. In a course of 20 participants not even 2 people come for the follow -up. And these 2 continue for less than a month. And thats how RS got away all these years.RS gets this info by conducting interactive sessions with his teachers.
The Part – 1 course thought directly by RS (conducted last Oct / Nov) mostly had Freshers. There were hardly any repeaters. Why?
As I stated in my response to Anon
https://aolfree.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/questions-sudarshan-kriya-practitioners-should-ask-themselves/#comment-12927
If SK was to liberate people (spiritual practice), why would people not practice it regularly and why would it have negative side effects? And why would its effectiveness be dependent on RS’ grace?
Some one had aptly mentioned that the lawyers should understand the content of TTC manuals, eg
The responses that the teachers are asked to give to the participants having problems with SK,
Drink water in the middle of Sk if you feel dizzy and then continue with SK.
Tingling sensation and numbness = stress release !!??
Headache / fever / any discomfort = toxin Release ( Cleansing)
Check the genuineness of the SK research papers.
Understand the meaning of 99% Grace and 1% technique.
Surrender to the master.
And since this song was composed by RS, He for once should take complete responsibility of what happens during SK practice.
“I would like to add that “There is no research conducted on long-term practice of short kriya” either.
silly blabbermouths.
Is there any long term research conducted on kriya yoga/vipassana/internet use?
Is there any long term research conducted on brushing teeth early morning? May be if we don’t brush them and just rinse them with alcohol we might have a better dental health? Who knows?stop brushing your teeth now, because there is no research and I have heard that some people have gum bleeding if they brush. Also , open a blog and write about it in lengths…
The point is you cannot do a ‘long term research on everything which comes to your mind. How do you define what ‘long term’ is? Everyone will have a different definition of of ‘long term’.
And then who will fund this research? If you are so concerned write a grant proposal to NIH/ICMR and be my guest. But then you cant do that…because if you do, who will do all the gossiping on the net?
Not saying, you should just accept whatever has been told to you…keep it simple…if you don’t like it..if it doesn’t suit you…just move on…But then you cant do that.. because if you do, common sense would become much more common.
@ Harshal [June 14, 2012 11:57 am]
— Is there any long term research conducted on brushing teeth early morning? —
— Is there any long term research conducted on kriya yoga/vipassana/internet use? —
Are you actually comparing the research on dental health in relation to brushing one’s teeth in the morning with research on “kriya yoga/vipassana/internet use” ?
There’s plenty of research on dental health. This is common knowledge.
And, lots of organizations are researching the way the internet is used — so kriya yoga and vipassana don’t belong to the category of internet use. This is also common knowledge.
@ harshal
Your very arguments show your ignorance of how research is conducted in the medical field
and complete lack of scientific thinking
There are several hundred studies which have been conducted to understand the changing patterns done lasting for 15 to 20 years or even longer
Ever heard of Framingham study ???
Don’t think so!!Those is AOL have not heard of anything other than SSRS, SKY, advanced course, DSN……etc.. etc.. and whatever words which are spoken by SSRS and nothing beyond that …
FROGS IN THE AOL WELL( FAMILY)
Here is a link to see the number of longitudinal studies conducted over last 40- 50 years
http://scholar.google.co.in/scholar?q=longitudnal+studies+more+than++15-+20+years&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5
harshal said “silly blabbermouths” Ah, he’s really improved from his continued practice of SK and association with Ravi Shankar!
“There’s plenty of research on dental health. This is common knowledge.”
Where is it? Show me a study where people who brush teeth were followed up for 20 years and were compared with those who didn’t – and a beneficial effect of tooth brushing was shown in those who did it.
In your other posts who have asked so many questions which don’t make sense. That makes me violent and crazy. No meditation helps. What kind of creature are you?I think there should be restraining order against you.
@HarshalBhau,
Pls. brush your teethe regularly since AOL is yet to come out with research that SKY protects against dental caries :
http://jada.ada.org/content/142/4/415.long
Also please donot use alcohol based mouthwashes since it is a risk factor for oral carconomas :
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22590919
@HarshalBhau,
Check out this site and hopefully you will understand why there is a case to scientifically look into the potential adverse effects of yoga.
http://dangersofyoga.blogspot.in/2010/02/videos-yoga.html
But HHSSRS and his troupe are never going to do any research into the potential adverse effects of the SKY and as you admirably conluded below that burden lies on those who experienced the adverse effects.The SKY was “revealed” to him, wasn’t it ?? What will be left of his “enlightenment”, if it were scientifically establised that SKY was iindeed capable of inducing pathology ???
Without SK and meditation, were you more abusive ?
Ans:No. Meditation makes me more abusive.
Did you use more profanity ?
Ans:Yes.Meditation makes me use more profanity,
Were you physically violent ?
Ans:Yes. Wife beating, brother beating , sister beating , cousin beating are done regularly by me. Sometimes I beat my friends and colleagues too. Everyone next to me wears helmet and protective gears because I get violent so often
Were you even more disrespectful than you are now ?
Ans:Ya I think so.
What do people who knew you before you started SK and meditation and know you now say — about the change in you ?
Ans: Before they knew that I was a small loser , now I am even bigger loser. Now they give me money and food and place to live.
If — say — on a scale of 1-100 — you were at 1 before SK and meditation, where are you at now ?
Ans: Cant answer this. Need a scale which goes in negative.
Are you being relatively less disrespectful because of The Doctor or because of additional SK and meditation in the last few days ?
Ans: Ya. How did you know?
Do you think that after some more time, you will completely stop talking down to people and become a compassionate human being ?
Ans: No . I have seen the future, as we do so regularly I am equally bad in future.
Please do share the extent of transformation in you and the further transformation that can be expected.
Ans: Before my brain was solid, now it is semisolid and will be transformed into gas very soon.
By when will you become a compassionate human being and completely stop talking down to people ?
Ans: By Jan 2050
By when will you completely stop making derogatory judgmental references to absolutely anyone ?
Ans: Same as above
By when are you expecting to attain that kind of enlightenment ?
Ans: Same as above
“burden of proof lies on them”
It is you people who accuse that it is not safe. Burden of proof lies on those who throws accusation. Ask narendra nayak.
@Harshalbhau,
Everyone here who has claimed that SKY is unsafe is speaking from personal experience, just as those who rave about its benefits also speak from personal experience.
If personal experience constituted scientific evidence then AOL wouldn’t have done so much research or gone to such lengths to showcase the efficacy of the SKY. Reports of the negative effects of the SKY it is all anecdotal and hence does not constitute valid scientific proof. That proof can be generated in controlled human trials designed to assess adverse effect potential.
Now who is to do those trials??
Did those who experienced the positive effects of the SKY as personal experience do the trials which demonstrated the efficacy of the SKY?? Then should the trials to demonstrate the adverse effects be done by those who experienced negative effects as a personal experience, as you claim??
If your conclusion is to be accepted i.e. that those who suffered the adverse effects take up the burden of proof to demonstrate the scientific validity of their experience, then analogically speaking the pharmaceutical industry is under no obligation to conduct preclinical and clinical toxicity studies for the therapeutic entities that are developed by them with mere demonstration of efficacy is sufficient on their part while the burden of demonstration of adverse potential is to be taken up by the individuals who suffered the adverse effects.
Can you point out one society where the local drug enforcement authorities transfer the burden of demonstration of adverse effects from the claimant i.e. pharma, to the consumer i.e. the patient?
You do not know that the most fundamental tenet in therapy is “DO NO HARM”. That is why drug enforcement authorities demand of big pharma that all toxicity studies be performed under GLP guidelines while the same is not demanded for the efficacy data.
Currently yoga despite its potent bioactivity with the consequential ability to cause both harm and good is not under the kind of regulatory purview that the pharma is under. That is why you demonstrate the temerity and the usual lack of ethics to demand transfer burden of scientific proof of adverse effects onto the consumer.
You don’t question the positive effects of the Kriya, you don’t ask those who have positive effects to take the burden of proof of therapeutic benefit, you take it at face value, but you demand it of those who report negative experiences. Your biases have never been clearer and your unethical nature stands exposed.
So next time someone you know takes a pill for dementia, be assured, that those in power have ensured that the burden of proof for demonstration of adverse effects is on the manufacturer of that pill, and not on the person taking it. Big pharma, whatever its other faults, has not claimed enlightenment yet and hence immunity from showing potential adverse effects alongside efficacy data for therapeutic entities.
@Harshal,
Ask your Guruji about his close devotee whom he claimed “died during the Sudharshan Kriya” and had to be brought back to life by non other than His Holiness. Does that sound safe to you?
When I go through all these comments I feel peole need to understand spirtuality and its purpose .
Spirituality is only concerned about how you do things but not what you do .
You need to do things with complete focus,ease and complete objectivy.
Highest state of spirutality means ,when you are in that state your decisions will be objective .
The only way to evaluate your decision is objective or not is ensuring it is in the larger system interest at the given time and situation.
This Lord krishna understood very clearly.Bhajans ,seva,silence,karma yoga,gyana yoga all these are all laboratory methods to take you to that state .Only way you can measure you are in that state is by the level of objectivity of your decisions in your day to day life.
In reality no guruji or swami ji states explcitly states this point.No Ashram has well proven methods to take you to that sate faster.The reason for not having this methods is that they are not aware of this simple principle.That is why you see most of the ashrams start NGO programs faster.
if a course can be created to achive state this faster ,it will be in much demand.To create that course we need people with multidisciplinary knowledge.
In Mahabharat krishna took a oath that he would not touch weapons in the war.Bhimsha told him that he would ensure that krishna was forced to take waepons.Bhimsha is egoistic .In the war no body could stand against Bhisma.Krishna gets irritated and gets down from the chariot with his sudarshan chakra.This is obvious story.Krishna is giving message to krishna my oath is not important compared to the larger interest .However bhishma igonered larger interest and stuck by the promise he made to his father.There are many such examples to prove krishna understood and said directly those points in Bhagvad geetha.
I wish all of you to understand this simple essesnce of spirituality is objectivity.Evaluation criteria is larger interest.
Guru is one who is in that state and who can take people to that state, where people can make objective decisions and align their life with principles of nature.
Everything in universe works as per natural priciplles.Every thing in the nature is predicatable.Only we do not have capability to predict it.
With this back ground if you read Bhagvad geetha and Ashtavakra geetha ,you do not require much time to understand them.
krishna demonstrated clearly the following:
Arujna was in a terrible mental state – complex situation
He had to kill his teachers and grand fathers -He needs to take action which hates to take
With one hour of training he made Arjuna to come to highly objective and perform in out standing manner.He made Arjuna perform his duties as a doctor who improves the soictal conditions: Respect for ladies and respect for contract.
I lost my health as a result of regular practice of short kriya and long kriya. So what should i do now??
@Anonymous June 15 2012 8:51 am — just eat well, take vitamins, see your doctor and ask his advice, hang out more with your friends (if you didn’t alienate all of them by trying to force them into AOL), pray to God sincerely for good health and well being. It works. God is Great. He won’t leave you if you just ask.
“Guru is one who is in that state and who can take people to that state, where people can make objective decisions and align their life with principles of nature.”
I agree with this statement completely. That’s why I left Ravi Shankar — he is not that Guru. Nobody there makes any real progress. They simply become crazier and nastier and more aggressive. Those who don’t, simply leave after a time.
“http://jada.ada.org/content/142/4/415.long”
@ stupidseeker-lungiwala: I have a simple response to this. You might remember it. -“This research is done by brainwashed zombies from toothpaste companies”
@Harshalbhau,
Your response was simpler than your usual standards this time around. Anyways please do remember that your guru is a lungiwala himself. LLOOLLL
Ha ha, Lungiwale ka chela!! I like that.
@ lungiwala: really? I thought it was a pancha.
BTW: do you still go to backwaters with a lota ? one frustrated Indian you are.
@harshal, sometimes it’s a sari. Really.
@Shivaji Ka Wansaj,
Nope, its a lungi alright that your guru wears.
More than 650 million indians still go to the backwaters or someplace else with a lota. I’d love to show you but the doctor won’t allow it.
http://www.cardiff.ac.uk/news/articles/new-antibiotic-resistant-bacteria-discovery-6621.html
Yes, im the only frustrated Indian, all others have been saved by HHSSRS, aint it ??