AOL vs. Does: The Lawsuit
It started with this notice from the Indian AOL. Later, AOL in USA filed an official complaint, and subpoenaed Google and WordPress to reveal our identities, in order for them to prosecute us for defamation, copyright breaches, trade libel and for revealing ”trade secrets”.
Following are the highlights of the case:
Here is the Court’s decision in June 2011 in which she threw out the Defamation and Trade Libel claims, but kept the Trade Secret claims. As well there are the Motions to Dismiss and Strike and the Oppositions and Replies to each, that preceded that Court decision.
Here are the pleadings leading up to the Court’s November 2011 decision protecting Skywalker’s anonymity.
Doc 92 Motion for Relief NDPTO
Here are the Motion for Summary Judgment and 2nd Motion to Strike, culminating in the Court’s order of May 1 2012 knocking out the Copyright Claim and all claims against Klim. Note that doc 138 was actually filed much earlier, but because of issues about how to publicly file sealed documents it shows up later in the docket.
The latest efforts to learn my identity are in these “letter brief” motions to compel, and our oppositions. These motions were denied by the Court in the “Minute Order” at the end.
Doc 154-1 Exh A Redacted Letter Brief sw id
Doc 154-2 Exh B Redacted Letter Brief responses
Doc 165 Minute Order CMC Striking 4th ATSD
As of June 19th, the lawsuit is over. We have settled with AOLFUS, see details here.
Beyond The Art of Living 
Any updates on the court case?
An update is available at:
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/5:2010cv05022/236963/25/
I didn’t fully understand it, but presume some mediation efforts are on.
An update is available here.
http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2011/12/spiritual_group.htm
Spiritual Group’s Attempt to Unmask Online Critics Goes South–Art of Living Foundation v. Does
December 01, 2011
Art of Living Foundation v. Does, 10-cv-05022-LHK (N.D. Ca.; Nov. 9, 2011)
Art of Living Foundation is an organization based in India that is dedicated to teaching the spiritual lessons of “His Holiness Ravi Shankar.” Defendants are disgruntled former “student-teachers and students” of plaintiff who want to bring to light their view that AOLF is a “manipulative and abusive cult.” Defendants posted blogs under the pseudonyms “Skywalker” and “Klim.”
AOLF sued, alleging various claims including defamation, misappropriation of trade secrets, copyright infringement and trade libel. AOLF also alleged that defendants published AOLF’s copyrighted “Breathe Sound Water Manual.” AOLF sought leave to conduct expedited discovery. This request was approved and AOLF issued subpoenas to Google and Automattic. Before Google and Auttomatic complied with the subpoenas, defendants appeared through counsel and moved to dismiss AOLF’s defamation claim, strike its trade secrets claim, and also moved to quash the discovery. Skywalker acknowledged that he published the manual, but said that he posted this solely as part of his larger campaign to bring awareness to his views about AOLF.
While the motion to quash was pending, the court granted defendants’ request to dismiss the defamation claim, and struck the trade secrets claim. AOLF filed an amended complaint limiting its claims to copyright infringement and misappropriation of trade secrets. Magistrate Judge Beller granted the motion to quash as to Klim but denied it as to Skywalker, relying largely on the fact that a prima facie claim of copyright infringement is sufficient to overcome the right to anonymity. Judge Koh, reviewing Magistrate Judge Beller’s order, finds that AOLF failed to overcome Skywalker’s right to remain anonymous and quashes the subpoena as to Skywalker.
In a characteristically excellent order, Judge Koh canvasses the various standards courts apply in resolving anonymity issues. Some courts have required plaintiffs to make a prima facie showing before ordering disclosure, while others have demanded admissible evidence establishing each element of a claim. The Ninth Circuit recently held that in resolving the disclosure issue, courts should keep in mind the nature of the speech (e.g., purely commercial versus purely political) as well as the potential chilling effect of ordering disclosure (In re Anynomous Online Speakers). Finally, and most troubling for the defendants, a widely cited 2004 decision from the Southern District of New York found that a prima facie allegation of copyright infringement entitles the plaintiff to identify doe defendants (Sony Music v. Does).
Defendant raised a fair use argument, but the court does not rely on the possibility of non-infringement in resolving the disclosure issue. The court notes that “evidence of copyright infringement does not automatically remove the speech at issue from the scope of the First Amendment.”
The court employs a balancing test where it weighs the harm to plaintiff and defendants. Disclosure of Skywalker’s identity would have a chilling effect on other bloggers, and this weighed heavily in favor of defendants. With respect to harm to the plaintiff from quashing the subpoena, the court finds that AOLF would not suffer a comparable harm. AOLF could proceed in the litigation without knowing Skywalker’s identity—Skywalker had responded to written discovery, and if necessary, AOLF’s counsel could even conduct a deposition via telephone (or alternatively, Skywalker’s identity could be revealed on an attorneys’ eyes only basis). Ultimately, AOLF was unable to make a compelling argument that it needed to discover Skywalker’s identity at this point in the litigation. It raised a weak argument that it needed to find out the revenues generated from Skywalker’s blog but the court notes that this information could be gleaned through other sources, such as Google and Automattic.
This is a nuanced result. The court recognizes that the copyright claim is not particularly strong and there is a good chance, this is the end of the road for Art of Living Foundation. The earlier dismissal of its defamation claim (and accompanying liability for attorney’s fees) is a serious blow, but the court’s rejection of its request to unmask Skywalker deprives AOLF of what it was looking to get out of this lawsuit–early identification of a pseudonymous blogger. On the merits of his copyright claim, Skywalker may win on his claim for fair use or successfully argue that the damages are minimal at best. (See generally, the Righthaven debacle.)
The overall takeaway is that if you as a blogger face a claim for garden-variety copyright infringement, this type of a ruling shouldn’t give you much hope. Courts will readily cite to Sony Music v. Does and order compliance with a subpoena seeking your identification. If, on the other hand, a plaintiff is using a weak copyright claim to get at you for bad-mouthing the plaintiff, a court may see it for what it is, and deny the requested discovery. Of course, this depends on your luck of the draw and requires you to be in front of a thoughtful judge and have good representation. (The ACLU, EFF, and Public Citizen weighed in as amici, which didn’t hurt.) It also requires that service providers don’t jump the gun when responding to subpoenas seeking identification. I’m sure on a daily basis, numerous posters and bloggers are unmasked because the circumstances are different from those in this case. Additionally, “garden-variety” copyright infringement unmaskings never get to court at all; service providers routinely make disclosures under section 512(h) without the alleged infringer even knowing it.
Looks like a court motion hearing is now set for May 26th in San Jose, California.
Would someone living in San Jose be able to attend this hearing in person?
Here is another update:
http://www.citizen.org/litigation/forms/cases/getlinkforcase.cfm?cID=688
Doe Defendant, specially appearing under the pseudonym “Skywalker,” moves for relief from Magistrate Judge Lloyd’s order denying his motion to quash a subpoena intended to discover his identity from third-party Internet Service Providers. Having considered the parties’ briefing and oral arguments, the Court finds that Skywalker’s First Amendment right to anonymous speech outweighs the need for discovery at this time. Accordingly, the motion for relief is GRANTED.
See http://www.citizen.org/documents/Art-of-Living-v-Does-District-Ct-Opinion.pdf
Thank you for posting this result. I have supported this blog and was interested to know the outcome. It’s important that people have the right to share their true experiences here without the real fear that Art of Living will be acquiring their identity and then start harrassing them on the phone, by e-mail or even at their homes (yes that has happened when people have left AOL and have made Ravi Shankar angry). Does this result mean that in addition to not having the siddhis he claims to possess (or he could have simply KNOWN the identities of the blogmasters) that he also has attorneys who don’t know the law? Hmmmmmm.
I’m really happy for the blogmasters that they will not have to go through the visits and threats from AOL that I went through when I left, realizing that too much was really very wrong with SSRS and his organization for me to stay on.
Now people can continue to post without fear.
Got no money,
Then watch what you say honey!
Wanna talk about the injustices done to you,
Grow up and see AOL’s good work too.
But I forgot all you like to do is Boo Hoo Hoo!!
You guys really need a positive hobby. May I suggest pottery and when you’re done maybe painting them. You could sell them and get some money for your case and if they crack then you have your replicas…. crackpots!!!
good one corrector
Cheers mate!!
Thanks Mate!
I like you. Tough love for spiritual babies!
Wow, so Dr. Peter has been on this blog a long, long time. Kind of surprising to see him supporting a really awful comment by Corrector above.
Thank U Corrector!! I’m in this org. since few years & it has helped me tremendously!! I have GROWN +vely for sure & I whole heartedly thank my GURU!! History speaks about many people who did oppose Jesus, Buddha, Krishna…These are again the same souls who are born to do the same job..CRITICIZE THE GOOD…This Guru teaches excellent ‘Meditation’ & these meditations have helped me explore the REAL me—loving, compassionate & happy- my very own nature…People like this don’t practice what this Guru teaches but only yap yap yap negative stuff…I really pity all the people who support this blog…This lifetime you’ll are wasting your precious energy in complaining rather than practicing ‘Meditation.’ Wake Up & practice your short kriya n meditation everyday then you will know what nonsense you’ll were doing supporting this blog….Hoping this helps!! Remember, no matter what you say or do its not gonna Change ME 🙂
@Unbiased “Wake Up & practice your short kriya n meditation everyday then you will know what nonsense you’ll were doing supporting this blog”
Yeah, U Pls go ahead n practise the short kriya everyday……..come what may, do not stop it. This is what I can wish for all the people who touted SK to be the elixir and RS to be God… and yeah, dont forget to do the Guru Puja with this….morning and evening.
This is the best way to repay for all the karmas you have earned by pulling people into AOL.
My Sadhana ..As for that…yrs of practise did wake me up n Now is the time for seva…so waking up others thru this Blog.
I’m in this org. since few years & it has helped me tremendously!
How many years precisely Mr Unbiased?
Wake Up & practice your short kriya n meditation everyday then you will know what nonsense you’ll were doing supporting this blog
You are also supporting this blog by commenting here. Are you not doing your Kriya ? If you are, then are you not content and happy? Why then you need to come here and comment on this blog?
cheers mate!
You cowards should learn something from Julean Assange. If your grivances against AOL are authentic or if you do not have any maliciou intention why do you hide your identites. I only pray that LET THE TTUTH WIN ‘Satyameva Jayate’
There they go again, like broken records.
Truth will triump of course. But what are your truths:
– Advanced degree in physics and vedic science at 17
– fake research studies on health benefits of hyper ventilation kriya
– fake guru miracle stories
– pocketing charity money into family owned enterprises like sumeru and inwinex
– Truth of forgiving the fake terrorist who tried to kill him
Wake up and smell the coffe. No wonder you are a living proof of a brainwashed zombie.
Hello Missy….
Any proof of these?
Your little fingers can keep typing and your demented brain can keep firing neurons in the wrong direction.
No matter what is said and done – Where is the proof????
So Harvard and Stanford do fake research studies? Must be a first time for everything…
Like for you a first time would be a moment of clarity.
Don’t use big words like brainwashed – You will find those smiling back at you in the mirror
Radha,
I am not brainwashed for sure…Poor you who has stuck in non-sense thots!! I pay thousands to take courses & I have benefitted 100 folds!! I feel sorry for souls like you who are BORN to complain & die the same way…Guess what, if you believe in incarnation…you will be born again doing the same…Hoping your SOUL will get to experience some spirituality in this LIFETIME!! These Gurus are doing their best to give their best to the people…What @ U???
The truth is that AOL is just a money making excerise and preys on those who are of a weak mind, those of stronger minds are used to prey upon those with who are fearfull of such demons.
May your blog succeed in quashing this cult.
Quashing? Do you play Quash Man? Do you have strong mind? Berry Berry Strong Mind.
You dufus Brit. Did you just come out of the Closet or just go in?
Radhe Radhe – The only brainwashed Zombies here are the ones in Resident Evil – Afterlife. A pretty pathetic movie, still not as pathetic as your comments or this blog, not worth the money. No fake research, just real experiences, only a real bullet, money being utilized for Seva and most of all I don’t know what coffe is.. if you meant coffee then how can a brainwashed zombie smell it as he would only be able to smell the detergent used to clean his brain. In your case may I recommend Nirma… It will really whiten things out! Also regarding truth triumphing or not… the reality of life is that we all die!!! That is the only certainty so live, your life to the fullest and Move On!!! Jai Jai Radha Raman Hari Bol
good one corrector…radha has no proof for whatever he/she is claiming..i think people like this radha are real zombies..who literally have no life..
Harshal
Can you please give me proof for advanced degree in physics and vedic science as claimed by Sri Sri Ravishankar. We will decide on the zombie part upon submitting the proof. It is clear your guru lied as he does about most other things. Only fools like you beleive it or people with vested intrests in sumeru and other unethical business of Ravi would fake this beleif. The corruption of your guru is too stark and glaring.
@invector :the necessity of proof always lies with the person who lays charges,it is known as ‘onus probandi’….its your duty to provide proof, if you dont have it just get lost and get some life…
No. If someone purports to have a certain degree from a college or university it is a matter of public record. If the proof of the degree cannot be produced by the university or college records, there is no degree. Degrees are not hidden. It is up to those who say they have a degree to give the proof. Harshal, the only one without a life seems to be you. The only zombie seems to be you. A zombie cannot think for himself. You should try to do that. It can be both freeing and refreshing. AoL is a sad, sad organization built on smoke and mirrors. Your comments, dear Harshal, indicate your level of being trapped by illusion.
The only thing that is SAD around here is you guys, you really are so caught up in your own little lives that you just can’t see beyond that! I am really tired of all of your uninventive, angry, uninspiring, delusional and totally obsessive outbursts. I thought some of you may provide some lighter and more enlightened comments. Seeing as you all say that you are better off and more enlightened after AOL. I don’t think so! If you were you would not need to comment on this Blog. Get on with your lives. I don’t want to waste any more time with any of you people as you are really sucking the life force out of me. The force is certainly not strong with you all! Being Darth Vader and having Luke’s name is simply a cover. Get Some Prana!!!
This will be my last comment so here’s My Last Two Words for you all – Jai Gurudev
If a person has publicly lied about his degree he is a fraud. There is no record of Ravishankar’s degree from SJ college of science and commerce where he studied till he was seventeen. This lie about his fake education is clearly mentioned in several of his books and website. There is no such course as ‘advanced degree in physics’ in st Josephs college. There is a Bachelor of science course where they study physics as one of the subjects among others. Masters degree in st josehp’s was started only in the 90s when Ravi had already started his holy business of stealing charity money. This degree is just one of his lies. This blog has clearly exposed his other lies – NPP aspirations, fake propoganda about brining peace in kashmir and sri lanka, Sudarshan kriya bad side effects, dollar a day robbery program and many others. You and your guru stand exposed. Only thing left now for you chelas now is to hurl abuses at these energetic people who have exposed your lies and fraud. Don’t talk crap about negative prana. A person with positive prana should not lie or condone lies.
Where is the proof Indiot?
You squatting accented smelly goof.
“My Last Two Words for you all – Jai Gurudev”
Another “neutral observer” bites the dust!
@ PW.
Maybe he’s leaving because ha-ha is back? For some reason, maybe, it is not possible for haha and corrector to be in the same place at the same time? Corrector arrived on the blog when haha took a month’s break to go to India. And haha’s arrival sees the departure of identical twin-corrector? Just a thought…..
Harshal also once claimed vehemently that he/ she was only doing research into whether to try out Aol or not and had never taken any Aol course! What a bunch of liars!! Like guru, like sishyas.
@observer–I challenge you to show me when and where I said that…
” @observer–I challenge you to show me when and where I said that…”
Dear Harshal
Good catch, it is about time, they also produce some evidence, instead of needlessly maligning revered saint like Sri Sri. All disease both mental and physical, are the symbol of failing to live on the level of oneness, with our inner self.
Regards
Sri Joydip
Yeah. Harshal never said that he was just trying out AOL.
He has been telling right from day 1 that he was initiated into AOL by drinking blessed water from Sri Sri’s sacred bodily orifices. He even tried to defend it in the name of holy Hindu tradition. He is neck deep in Sri Sri’s sacred shit. Didn’t he tell you?
See my comment below. And, for the record – let me state this once again – This has *nothing* to do with the validity of the genuine concerns raised on this blog.
It is a simple mistake on part of Observer. He confused between @2bit and Harshal. That does not make any of the points raised in this blog needless or malicious.
Yes, thanks Dayalu. It was “2bit” who kept claiming that he/ she had nothing to do with Aol and just like this current “neutral” Corrector, also bit the dust. It was not harshal, sorry abt that. i guess this one is here “only for the entertainment”.
@ observer- yes you got it right this time. Thanks for accepting that you were wrong.
However, I think now I have enough grounds to create a blog against you, saying that you lied, made false allegations, called me a liar and abused me by spreading rumors about me..
Go ahead, create a blog, I ll visit it ‘just for the entertainment’.
The teachers in AOL do not follow the things they teach. They are full of ego, jealous about others and only very selfish as they lack in knowledge. The innocent gullible people who join will never know this as they do not have any background on Spirituality.Only after taking a course , they think in terms of Spirituality. So as a beginner , it gives some basic knowledge of Spirituality which is essential in this modern world to face life. Upto that it is OK.
It is only when you go very deep over a period in the organization, you know the negative side of AOL. All internal group in terms of North Indian South India, Caste etc. are very much there in the groups too. The marketing technique they adopt is very smart.They employ Muslim teachers to catch hold of Muslim people in Gulf, They employ Christians teachers to catch hold Christians .
Many of the techniques and knowledge points are from Osho. Osho also talked about Patanjali Yoga Sutras, Astavakra etc . in more authentic manner . In terms of original thinking and knowledge,I think no one can beat Osho.
The Patanjali Yoga Sutras, Astavakra etc., does not belong to any body except the authors. Only the talks are given by different people at different times. Don’t just talk just because you need not pay anything to just write a blog. LET GOD BLESS YOU
Harshal, for all your spirituality and guru adulation, you come on this site and mock people who are healing themselves of a common experience.
Wouldn’t it be better for you to ask your Guru why so many people are saying the same thing, about their experience in AOL.
Grow up!
It’s no use talking with Harshal/Ha Ha/Corrector/whatever other aliases he has. He’s got those AOL blinders on that are stuck like super glue. He’s super angry that we’ve offended his God, and now he’s doing the “Jedi” thing by taking his revenge on us. I would suggest his comments be removed (because they are spam), but then I realize his stupid comments will keep others away from AOL. So it’s a good thing that he spams here.
Years ago, I would have probably dismissed this site too as jealous people who are low in spirituality. Course I would have no interest in trolling, but whatever floats your boat I guess. As SSRS has said, just laugh at others mistakes….
No, you guys are just hypocrites. You crap all over everyone who has even remote praise for AOL and then when someone uses the same extreme tactics on your sorry asses you cry like babies. Grow up. Some people have great experiences with AOL. Sorry about that!
@Semi-Lackey,
Now you’re just being plain nasty and making things up! We aren’t crapping over anyone who has remote praise for AOL or who has had good experiences. How on Earth did you arrive at this conclusion exactly?! And in what way are we being hypocrites?
Part of another problem we’ve noticed is that those who are pro-AoL label those contributing on these blogs simply as “anti-AoL”, and if one contributor says something you don’t agree with, then suddenly we’re all responsible for it!! This is the same black and white thinking I mentioned in my previous response to you. If you want to, address a specific contributor, but please don’t paint everyone with the same brush or even assume we all share the same point of view.
And I’m happy that you and other people have had good experiences with AoL, as most people here have done, but this isn’t at issue here nor has it ever been an issue.
From the things you’ve written here, I think you’ve come to your own conclusions about what these blogs are about, just like others from AoL, and you’ve actually chosen to ignore a great many of the core issues we’ve been writing about.
@Semi-Lacky
“No, you guys are just hypocrites. You crap all over everyone who has even remote praise for AOL and then when someone uses the same extreme tactics on your sorry asses you cry like babies. ”
Talking of hypocrisy why don’t you appreciate that your comment has been published here? Try to post even a mildly critical comment of AOL on any of pro-AOL sites and you will understand the meaning of hypocrisy.
I do appreciate that my pro comments and insults have been published here. And Doctor, perhaps I do paint with too broad a brush. Some of you guys actually do post good-intentioned, discriminating critiques of AOL. But then you have this very loopy crowd who think SSRS is a the devil or something. In the future I’ll try my best to focus on specific comments rather than bunching you all together.
“But then you have this very loopy crowd who think SSRS is a the devil or something.”
Not really.
No one here is claiming that SSRS is a devil. All we are saying is that SSRS is a con-man.
Have you considered talking to the ACLU about this?
http://www.aclu.org/affiliate/new-york
please send me email adress I can write to…urgent …thks barbara
You can write to doctorfrombeyond@yahoo.com / reklawyksekul@gmail.com.
I don’t get it. Why there can’t be anything postive about the organization on this website. I think all these guys are deeply hurt somewhere. Let’s say they didn’t get anything good which I don’t believe, Why are they wasting time here ? I think they still secretly like Sri Sri and AOL??? Sort of love – hate relationship ? Guys life is too big to worry about insignificant thing like Sri Sri and AOL. Grow up!!! You have enormous potential use it to do something you want to do.
You obviously came here to spam, and you didn’t read anything here…
If you can separate the message from the personality, and take what you like – I say good for you. But it’s easier said than done, especially with the amount of propaganda and B.S you have to deal with. Most of the time the opposite happens – the real message gets drowned in personalities and other extraneous things, that simply are not that that important.
@my world,
This blog and another one by someone named “Klim” do a great service explaining to people how not to get trapped in this cult, Art of Living. You may enjoy yourself there, but if you read the accounts on these blogs, you may begin to question in a healthy way all the worship of this man Ravi Shankar. I know that as a former teacher, I definitely don’t still like Art of Living or Ravi Shankar. It’s not a love -hate relationship. There is no relationship, and hasn’t been for a long long time for me. It was brief (thankfully) and I got out with my wits, unlike many of the poor souls who appear to be still trapped there after 20 years! And they even dress and talk like Ravi Shankar now, like clones! It’s very sad, and needs to be pointed out to innocent people who may throw their lives away by accident.
On a positive note: I found that the basic course had many basic and good truths, but I had heard them all elsewhere — they are found in many scriptures in east and west. They are not property of Art of Living or SSRS. Many of those basic course points are things to live by in my opinion. I think you’d find, if you bothered to read this site more closely, that many people posting here say the same things — they found some very nice things initially, but as they got close to the center of it, they found out that it was not a good place to spend time. Like most other apologists for AOL you haven’t even bothered to read the quite balanced accounts, praising initial experiences, and then truthful accounts of the ill will inside the organization and the wrong doings which are rampant. Unlike most of the posters from AOL, whose posts are rants and raves about how horrible it is that this website exists. My question would be — why come here? Those who post here are content to share their experiences with others who say “it wasn’t just you — it also happened to me this way”. If someone new comes here and sees the blogs and begins to question…..That’s their good fortune. Who are you to say that I should not share my opinions and experiences on-line? The blog police? The thought police? Why don’t you go read a blog you like better?
@myworld:
“Grow up!!! You have enormous potential use it to do something you want to do.”
That is exactly what people are doing here – something they want to do. You can’t imagine how much satisfaction you can get by saving one innocent life away from the traps of a conman!
Yes it can be understood. It not only helps others, but also satisfies yourself, when the mind is wanting only negative things. You people have enormous knowledge hidden inside. Do something good for the people from the portion of your earnings. Then tell everybody to do those good things you did. BY SPREADING NEGATIVE THINGS, YOU CAN “SAVE FEW LIVES”. BUT BY SPREADING POSITIVE THINGS YOU “CAN REFORM MANY”. DO GOOD. LET GOD BLESS YOU. This will be my last comment on this site. Hope you people will spread positive.
@Good:
“BY SPREADING NEGATIVE THINGS, YOU CAN “SAVE FEW LIVES”. BUT BY SPREADING POSITIVE THINGS YOU “CAN REFORM MANY”. DO GOOD.”
Thanks for your kind words but IMHO exposing con men like Ravi Shankar is doing ENORMOUS good for society.
good to see the blogger dude so much in spirit and determined despite of all the legal bullshits and threats the AOL dudes are up to.. a bow to you buddy…
SEEn and monitored the spiritual business from a long time what i have come to know is the demand of the mediocre rationale to seek console is the main factor what gives these cunning holiholic so called sadhus power to exploit… And gradually develops a big empire of exploitations… Truth.. Enlightenment always is a personal affair and no Sri Sri can bring that to anybody even if he is enlightened… there is nothing left to be said in the history of esoterism and self knowledge.. Patanjali has given light on the entire yogic scenario while adi sankara has worked on being absolute and buddha on being extinguished… Sufis have given enough light on the mechanism of love.. Blah blah.. Every possible way has already been explored and dealt with so that whoever needing any assistance could easily find their way.. So, why to let these holy holes Sri Sri to let run their business in the name of spirituality..?
Once again, cuddos to the blogger…. keep going dude…
I had donated a small amount but never heard of any updates…
You can read the case progress here-
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/5:2010cv05022/236963/83/
“Denying 27 Motion to Strike. ”
Harshal won’t be happy.
I guess as long as this blog is still up it mean AOL has failed. 🙂
What happened to the law suit?
just u wait…guruji is going to use his siddhis to tackel u disgruntled ppl
hahaa so funny
This lawsuit business appears to have chilled the blog quite a bit. Naturally people feel afraid to post somewhere, where it could be that deep pockets AOL may come forward and sue them, gaining their identity, then proceeding to the standard blackmail harrassment tactics used by SSRS when someone leaves him, if that person has annoyed him at all: calls on the phone, threats about their “bad karma” if they speak out against Guruji, even knocks at the door, with the same threats, all delivered with sugar syrup voices, that proclaim how bad it would be to say anything ‘bad’ (read ‘truthful’) about such a highly evolved soul as Guruji, etc., etc., ad nauseum. Sadder still, is the fact (and it is a fact which I have witnessed) that people who have left, sometimes even years before, are frightened to even disclose their identities to each other for fear that that ‘other’ could be an Art of Living Mole. Art of Living can leave someone so damaged that they simply hide (not just here on the blog, as it’s essential to post anonomously to avoid the above mentioned, sick AOL & SSRS tactics of intimidation). They cease to trust even others who have left, disgusted with SSRS, having gotten too close, and seen him for what he really is. People in Art of Living are damaged souls. Some are fortunate in leaving that they simply move on. But I’ve seen those who couldn’t get work for years and years after leaving, consumed with fears and lack of confidence, having been beaten down by the organization and the ‘master’. I’ve been lucky. I was able to move on rapidly, albeit with the residual distrust of anything remotely resembling “gurudham”. But others are not as lucky, and are damaged for a long time after their exit. This lawsuit proves that Ravi Shankar and his thugs seek only to punish and hurt anyone who annoys or crosses them. They will use their considerable, ill-begotten gains to that end. Hopefully this blog remains here, and people lose their fear to post, at least anonymously, so that those reading it will be forewarned if they are not too involved with this group yet. Hopefully Ravi Shankar’s thugs will lose this lawsuit. It looks, from reading the link, that he is not even a plaintiff! He is simply directing his puppets, knowing that if he becomes a plaintiff, he will have to suffer the considerable damage that would occur should he have to appear in a courtroom, accused. Someone named Harshal has ranted on about Ramana Maharishi being critized by lunatics, etc., in his day. Here’s one huge difference that should be pointed out to this person: Ramana Maharishi appeared in court himself, without fear. He was sued. He did not sue.
Aol will not win because there are no grounds, so no worries. And people should feel free to post, it does not affect them.
I left some time ago as well. It was easy in a way, i just sorted out things for myself and quit. It did take quite a bit to finally decide and do it but then when i was emotionally detached i realized what it was all about and moved on. I miss nothing and am utterly shocked what i turned into while still involved. Better late than never, i reckon 🙂
I still do, however, come here to check whats happening every now and again, but other than that i erased aol completely. Its better that way.
Even if this blog is quiet or gets shut down, there will be more blogs just like this one. The word is out now. Too late for AOL. AOL is in for some rough years thanks to the internet.
hello, just came across this blog. i have done a couple of aol courses. nothing great. did not know aol has sued anyone, so quite surprised. is aol not as popular any more? ravi shankar was interviewed on ndtv and played a key role in the ramdev issue, so how can his popularity be dismissed? sudhir more
Lots of people have been popular throughout time. Doesn’t mean they are/were someone I’d want to know or follow or learn from. Think about that.
Yes, you are berry berry poplar yarrrrrr.
AOL is a success, and will get bigger and bigger.
While your jealousy and anger grow and grow.
Ahhhhhh, so lucky to be on the right side of things..
Ha ha ha ha ha ha
Bunch of Mental Midgets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jacob, you are in AOL to make it a hugely successful organization (like Microsoft or IBM or what ever), or you came there for some one else?
Anyway, if you want to grow AOL bigger and bigger, you’ll be happy to know that Mr Arvind Varchaswi + Mr Narasimhan is actually using the ‘charity’ money to buy stakes in other companies as well, other than the Sumeru group of companies.
Seems that they’ve huge stakes in Inwinex Pharmaceuticals Ltd as well.
http://gujarati.economictimes.indiatimes.com/snapshots.cms?companyID=6568
http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/Company/Background/Board-Meeting-AGM-EGM-Schedule/Inwinex-Pharmaceuticals-Ltd/531398
I’ve recently participated in the AOL course and wish I would’ve researched further before letting go of the $250! The kriya is actually painful and irritates my throat and lungs. I also become quite tired and melancholy post-kriya, which has been explained as the ‘cleansing’. I’m not sure how I feel about it all at this point. I’m not sure how one is supposed to rest easy in the fact that Sri Sri ‘learnt’ of the SK whilst in meditation, although this is how Reiki came about as well. And SK definitely bears great similarities to Kundalini breath-work, and just how it’s supposed to be different has never been clarified. The AOLer’s are certainly quite jazzed about getting more and more people into ‘the family’ and will sacrifice much in order to get them in to both the AOL course, as well as the other courses and events taking place round the world. Sweet, sweet, well-meaning people though, the ones I’ve met thus far.
I have been going through this blog from last 2 days. I have to agree it’s an interesting blog. But it’s only focusing on holes in the AOL organization. Being a journalist i’ve done lot’s of research and personally being to the places mentioned by AOL. I was shocked to see the changes they’ve got in villages or in prisoners.
With out actually experiencing any of these if someone is writing anything then that’s a really childish. Seriously people grow up and see the good work also. One thing is there being a volunteering organization AOL will surely have few thinks which needs to be improve. But that doesn’t mean it’s bad. If 1000 cars can travel safely on a highway and only 1-2 meets with an accident then there is a problem with the driver of those 2 cars and not with the road.
@Element
could you care to disclose your so-called “journalist” credentials ?
it is difficult to imagine a journalist with such crude english language skills.
>>> “I have been going through this blog from last 2 days.”
from or “for the”?
>>> “Being a journalist i’ve done lot’s of research and personally being to the places mentioned by AOL.”
“being to places” or “been to places”?
>>> I was shocked to see the changes they’ve got in villages or in prisoners.
shocked or amazed or astonished ?
>>> With out actually experiencing any of these if someone is writing anything then that’s a really childish.
“with out” or “without” ?
“that’s a really childish” or “that’s really childish” ?
>>> “One thing is there being a volunteering organization AOL will surely have few thinks which needs to be improve.”
“there being” or “their being” or better “since they are” ?
@Element or fake journalist who writes in hinglish, send in your fake research to Doc for dissection
“could you care to disclose your so-called “journalist” credentials”
He could be a hindi newspaper journalist? Its funny how you are asking him to disclose his credentials when you yourself are a pussy
“it is difficult to imagine a journalist with such crude english language skills.”
Element is just another AOL clone pretending to be doing research AKA Anna, Correcter, etc.
The only sure thing is that you abuse everyone who writes in this post.
But you know, it doesn’t really take long to people to see it. They just have to write even a simple post in which they do no trash AOL, and they will be trashed by you.
I encourage everyone to try. It is a very simple experiment.
Dear Journalist,
This is really good. Don’t worry about negatives here. Why don’t make a good article out of all the research on AoL you have done, get it published and clear the doubts as to how much good it is really doing… I mean this sincerely.
“Being a journalist i’ve done lot’s of research and personally being to the places mentioned by AOL. I was shocked to see the changes they’ve got in villages or in prisoners”
These rotten minds can only see rotting things. Its that simple.
yes, yes, Harshal,
And anyone who hears anything bad about your Guruji has “dirty ears” He himself has said that. LOL Beauty is indeed in the eyes of the beholder, but come on! AT some point you have to admit that the dirty room needs cleaning.
Oh please! Really?
Some day I will find a guru who completely pleases my ego. Only then will I follow his/her practices. I am also waiting for the perfect wife, the perfect job, the perfect pair of shoes, the perfect school, etc., etc.. I know to wait because all spiritual traditions tell me to judge everything from my personality. To use my personal pleasure as the touchstone of discrimination.
Oh Yeah! On the other hand, I am willing to blindly follow the guru who was marketed to me by his followers by stating many half truths, although the path does not belong to any yogic or spiritual tradition. It doesn’t matter that he conjured up his own hotch potch, fit all size breathing technique which makes many people sick…, or that his he never publicly acknowledges his guru…., or that his guru had disowned him… or that he pasted his picture on the photograph showing himself as the torch bearer of the ‘parampara’ without the approval of his guru or any of the peers in the lineage… Neither does it matter that all his actions and those of organization can be attributed to his one and only goal – gaining publicity….., nor that his self aggrandizing public statements are just laughable to any one outside of his organization…nor that there is no financial accountability in his organization…., nor the fact that in his lust for pubilicity, he spun a story of assasination attempt out of a stray bullet fired to scare dogs away….. , the list may go on, but he is still the guru who will help me along the path and take me to enlightenment. Oh yeah!!
All the very best in your endeavors.
There it is — it’s always there — if anyone, anytime, anywhere dares to question the validity or greatness of “Guruji” Ravi Shankar, they get the same slam — it’s their ego talking. They are not ready. They are unworthy, and stupid and foolish and blind. They are pleasure minded, and not service minded.
Couldn’t it simply be that people who question his authority are right? That they noticed that he’s a hypocrite? That he is actually selfish and greedy just as they noticed? Oh! Not possible! At least for you, baaaa baaaaa baaaaa baaaaa.
And so you follow whom it pleases you to follow, the one who gives you the most pleasure with his practices or presence or whatever. What makes you so great, Fred?
I am a new joiner to AOL and i have benefited from the Part I course. I have also done an advanced course which was good but it wasn’t great. So i am one of those who is like on the fence. He is happy to see positive changes in his life from part I but is wondering why Part II didnt have the same effect. Also, the positive changes can be because of changes like No caffene ( no tea), strict schedule, lesser partying ( cant really quit that can I :)), respecting elders ( this is news to even my parents), working for people (seva as they call it in AOL) etc. apart from Sudarshan Kriya…
I want to ask only one question. If people are questioning Sri Sri Ravishankar so much ( about his degrees, his money, his course benefits) then why cant they come out in open reveal their identities. I mean to me it looks like some hidden agenda if someone is hiding and criticizing.
See i am at such a stage that i can really benefit from your blog…I am right now skeptical of AOL as I didnt like my teacher forcing me to accompany them in a nearby ashram where the participants were forced ( a senior govt officer forced the entire office to do a course which everyone admitted ) but half of them found it to beneficial (specially the sutras of life)….So its a mixed reaction with AOL.
Truth revealed frome fake ids is False…..
@Rohit,
You should find a clue if you read the post at the top of this page. Also if you follow the link in the very first line, and read the section Posting Anonymously in this post, these should more than answer your question.
Interesting point of view. So if I, posting under an anonymous alias as I happen to be, were to declare “1 + 1 = 2”, are you telling me that this statement is actually false?
I can only laugh at your logic of 1+1=2.. Reminds me of Dr Zakir Naik comparing his ideology being correct as 2+2=4 hence one should not teach other idelogies in Islamic countries.
THis is not 1+1=2… here you are questioning an organisation and its practices.I being new to it want to know more about it from both ends but from credible sources. I have experienced some positives but not all claimed by them. Hence i wanted to know about the negatives but from credible sources. Not anonymous.
Mathematics and this are two different things. For eg. If the world was run on mathematics please explain why do you love your mother through mathematics. Or please explain with the help of mathematics that why does your mother love you :). I mean i am completely going by your logic. 🙂
I am asking you that why be anonymous. Come out in open and debate SRi Sri or his followers. It would be of great help to us. In one of the posts you are criticizing AOLs insistence on money and here you are asking for money to defend your criticism. My take on this is that even for good work you require money. Then why do you question AOL for asking money. Isnt it double standard.
Please do publish the records of money that people have donated and we need a full statement of its use. Can you do that.
Oh dear, here we go again … (I know, it’s my own fault, I should have seen it coming and just ignored it but, well, someday I’ll learn.)
@Rohit,
You originally stated “Truth revealed frome fake ids is False”. The point I was trying to make is that “truth” is independent of who says it. If I say “1 + 1 = 2” or you say it or Sri Sri says it, the statment holds true (at least mathematically speaking) no matter which one of us said it.
I’m completely lost as to where I indicated that mathematics could explain my love for my mother, please can you be so kind as to enlighten me on this? 🙂
Again you asked: I am asking you that why be anonymous. – and I have already answered this yet you have
chosen to ignore it. The funny thing is that this blog seems to have done a great job of helping people without the need to expose our identities. And the only people who seem to care about our identities are those who as yet have been unable to refute the things we have said and who instead have been trying desperately hard to discredit those who have said them.
Regarding money, we aren’t questioning AoL just for asking for money, we are questioning what they are using that money for over and above what they say they use the money for. This is covered adequately across this blog, and if you are sincerely interested I will point you in the direction where you can read about this in detail.
Generally speaking, we question AoL and its practices based on our own personal experiences. From these we form opinions which we have stated throughout these blogs. Our job is not to convince people that what we are saying is true, it is to present them with our accounts and experiences and to allow them to decide for themselves whether or not they believe it is true.
If you really need to know people’s identities before you will consider what they have to say, then I’m afraid you’ve come to the wrong place. In this case rather than waste any of your time and energy here, I would sincerely recommend you simply stop reading it.
Hmmm…
Carefully avoiding the question of you TOO requiring money. I saw it coming too but then anonymous people can write anything 🙂 The fact that you write a blog and not a personal diary means that its intent is to be read by everyone. Thanks for being so straightforward.
AOL is still strong and growing. I have my own reservations regarding it but cant chat with an anonymous person who claims what is written is his/her own experience. Again.. Truth written from fake ids are false. Come out.. reveal your identity and what you want to achieve will be much easier. Infact you will get more money ;)….
Dear Rohit,
Sure. Post your Name, Address, with Pin Code, Telephone number, and I’ll be happy to send you details through the mail. If you are unwilling to thus identify yourself, then you must be an AOL representative trying hard to sound “reasonable” (for a change — they mostly bash the people here). As to the need for money for those being sued by behemoth AOL and Ravi Shankar, use your brains! These are individuals, being hunted by this organization, who would try to silence anything they have to say, for fear of losing the argument. They perhaps don’t happen to be rich individuals. But AOL is very rich, and is spending your donation money on prosecuting (persecuting) these blogmasters. Please read the whole blog. You need not “chat” with any anonymous person. Then, go and get very very close with SSRS. Spend personal time with him. Lots of it. Travel with him. Then you can say who is lying and who is telling the truth here. Not before.
I don’t see any harm in anonymity, if one feels that revealing one’s identity may compromise one’s life and liberty or may compromise the life and liberty of near and dear one’s. Even if the presumption is based on undue fear, I still feel one has the right to remain anonymous.
In fact Sri Sri Ravi Shankar ji once said greater the chances of doubt stronger will be the faith.
@anonymous: I dont know about Rohit but I am happy to post my Name, Address, with Pin Code, Telephone number, if you and the blog owners also agree to do so.
Always the if’s and buts. Is that a good sign for a spiritual seeker as urself harshal??
jai gurudev all of you….god bless you all,dnt doubt ur guru if u want to see something real in life……
Has this site changed? cant access the comments, and also this site is unaccessable from anything but personal pcs.
I too am not able to see the comments for the recent 4-5 posts, can access only for old posts like this.have not yet tried from another computer.
Can either of you describe what exactly has changed in more detail? What exactly can’t you see, and on which page?
dear doctor, It has sorted out. I was not able to see any comments from “reflections after… “post till now.On clicking comments below the post or on the right over a specific comment, it would take me to the post with an ad at the end. it was frustrating not to be able to follow the discussion or to contribute. its ok now.
I teach in a school run by AOL. It doesn’t matter if you like or hate AOL, but if you have got time(seems you do) please do come and teach a few students in the AOL camps. We rely on caring teachers, so if you wish, you may join any of our camps for details.
Wonder whether you need those students more than the students need you ???
Well I have already done that. Seen the con first hand. All my good intentions were taken for a ride by the fake charity of art of living.
or Without those students where would you be 🙂
Satyameva Jayate! The Truth shall win….!
“We don’t do what we know is wrong.”
“Ravi Shankar is sugar coated poison”
Quotes by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi — Master of Ravi Shankar
The person asking for support needs a mental support himself.
May be he wants to make a new cult culture.
May be his medicine business with insurance is down these days.
Why is there no news of the case??
and harshal, fraudsters will be exposed. Remember it.
Haters gonna hate!
Haters put lawsuits on a simple blog.
You people are mad and like the muslim militants. I feel you are worst people than the militants. Guruji is doing wonderful work for brining peace to the world. We got his knowledge and we do changed and spreading peace and promoting all the promotional work. If you can’t do those work, atleast don’t abuse those who are doing good to the society.That itself is a great service to the human soecity
Please be so kind as to tell us, what exactly is it that your beloved Guruji has done in terms of bringing peace to the world? We hear this all the time from AOL nutters like yourself, but when it comes to it, none of you seem to have any answer for this.
You need to inform yourself do you ? Guruji have taught Meditation thousand of people ! If you want peace meditation is gretaest cure, He have cleanse tremendous amount of stress with all breathing techniques, calm down thousands of scared individuals, gave them back hope and strenghth ! Kriya and His Meditations have cured so many emotionaly, mentaly and physically sick people, that you will not in 1000 lifetimes ! He have taught precious wisdom to bring knowledge and take away ignorance-the wors poison of all ! And you dare to ask what He have done ??? All you know is sit on your small ass in the safety of your room and write stupid comments instead to go in life ! But you are too scared to do that do you ?
If You (and all others) want to know more about His seva projects then go on this link http://www.artoflivingprojects.org/
If you still think what He have done for world peace, either you have very low IQ or something else is wrong with you. After 16 years of Kriya I feel very very strong, healthy, happy and have a lots of money, I do Rudram 3x per day, please out of compasion I am kindly asking you, do not create bad karma for yourself with those stupid&foolish&immature comments no more !
This is my final statement !
OM Nama Shivaya! Jai Gurudev!
On the other hand, Ramakrishnan, it is your kind of blind faith in someone or something that creates terrorists. People in AOL blindly believe what their senior teachers and ‘Guru’ tells them, quit jobs, work for free, spend loads of money on crap they call ‘knowledge’ and destroy their own lives and others lives in the process. Terrorists believe in a flawed ideology, (mis)interpreted by some mullah and blow themselves and others. Don’t you see parallels?
Hey ramakrishnan why dont you talk of land grabbing og guruji, especially the beautifiul lake he destroyed to create soudamini.
Dearest Demon Slayer,
I sincerely hope you keep your promise, and make the above sick blathering your final comment. Om Namah Shivaya, Jai Chamundeshwari, Jai Ram, Jai Guru Dev. Wishing you all the best, and hoping you get psychiatric help for your ego problem.
Looks like all that 3x daily Rudram didn’t give you peace of mind, Demon Slayer. Again, Ravana did Rudram, did it well, got some temporary powers then was defeated by God. What will you do with all your powers? Kill me? Kill someone else? So what? What will you do? Are you enlightened? Obviously not. Pray that Lord Siva forgives your misuse of these powers. Pray that Ma Durga forgives your abuse of her children who are innocent and simply defending themselves from an abusive man and organization. Pray. Stop chanting forumulas and Pray for a change.
Not to worry, Kitapati — it will all “come out in the wash” as they say: follow the news and you’ll see that many court cases are being brought aganst Art of Living. It’s just the beginning. Intelligent people are tired of being lied to. They are tired of being scammed. They are tired of the politicians doing all these favors for so-called Swamis and God Men. It will all come to light. You watch. It’s already started.
Another missionary at work, aren’t you already funded by vatican in your conversion mission? or just trying to create a facade of need for money to hide the same?
@Ramakrishna
“You people are mad and like the muslim militants. I feel you are worst people than the militants. Guruji is doing wonderful work for brining peace to the world. We got his knowledge and we do changed and spreading peace and promoting all the promotional work.”
Dude what did you learn AOL, dint you learn to accept people as they are and dont be a football of others opinion. Everybody has right of speech and it is for them to decide what is good or bad and just because they are saying what you dont like do you call them as terrorist ? and do you think your usage “muslim militants” is wise ? are you brandishing all muslims as militants ?
bottomline let people decide what is good or bad for them cos its their life to experience
and know the truth.
@chulbul pandey
So you call people as missionaries if their opinion is against your thought, then what should we call you ? can we come up with what ever we want ? but i don’t want to.
all i see is that you have your opinion and its your life to lead.do what you have to do
and every will do what they think is right for them. they are just posting their experiences
this is a public forum to express free opinions.
I have recently done AOL part I course.I have shared my experiences in your topic, “Revealing Questions about Art of Living and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar.”I am eager to know the truth.As of now I am not convinced with you people.I am not able digest why people are not coming openly and protesting against AOL.I joined AOL after reading the comments in the blog.But something is still attracting me to AOL.
Sanjay, my advice is to find out for yourself. Get really deep into the organization, but with the idea that you are investigating (don’t ever tell anyone there that, or the truth will not be revealed to you). Get really close to Guruji. Get really close to some of the oldest teachers. Watch them carefully. Then decide if you really are attracted, or just impressed because it’s big, rich, famous, lots of events. If you only want to meet people your age, that can happen anyplace. If you want to do it without drinking, you can find that elsewhere too. You don’t have to go to AOL to have fun. In fact, if you get involved enough, you’ll find out the trap and find out that your life is gone, and you’ve lost your family and friends and now all you have left is Guruji and AOL and all their complaining and whining about how they have no where else to go. See for yourself. Then come back here in a year and tell everyone.
after doing kriya.i suffer by .hypervantillation.. i m nt even able do talk ,laugh properly,,cant do any kind of work..please sggest me solution on this….minemate2@gmail.com
This is terrible suresh..the same thing happened to me..pls email me on anathreya@gmail.com
Update:
ORDER by Judge Lucy H. Koh granting 111 Motion for Summary Judgment; granting in part and denying in part 138 Motion to Strike.
….Defendants’ motion for summary judgment on the copyright claim is GRANTED. Defendants’ second special motion to strike the trade secret claim is GRANTED as to Defendant Klim, and DENIED as to Defendant Skywalker…..
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/california/candce/5:2010cv05022/236963/162/
The order sstate that plaintiff shall serve its second amended trade secret disclosure on Defendants within seven (7) days of the date of this Order. The time to file has expired yesterday. Have they done so or let it lapse also?
@ The Doctor
I’m not sure if I followed the operative part of the order correctly so I’d really appreciate it if you could explain it in simpler terms.
So far, it seems to me that AOLF (US) has been given a week (final opportunity) to prove that their “teaching methodology” qualifies as a “trade secret” as defined by US Laws.
I have arrived at this based on the following extract from the order:
“That said, the Court is sympathetic to Defendants’ frustration with Plaintiff’s protracted failure to identify its own purported trade secrets in a manner sufficient to allow discovery to proceed. Notwithstanding Plaintiff’s attempt, in its ATSD, to designate with reasonable particularity those portions of Plaintiff’s Manuals and Teaching Notes that comprise Plaintiff’s trade secrets, Plaintiff now seeks to withdraw that designation and re-designate its trade secrets, in light of new evidence not previously known to Plaintiff’s counsel that AOLF-US requires its students, in addition to its teachers, to sign confidentiality agreements. While the Court will allow Plaintiff to serve a second amended trade secret disclosure within seven (7) days of the date of this Order, the Court hereby puts Plaintiff on notice that this is its final opportunity to amend its trade secret designations with particularity.”
It also seems to me from the court order that AOLF (US) has claimed that it is not their training content which is unique but “the methodology” and this is because their teachers are trained in a unique way.
Does this mean that AOLF (US) shall now attempt to prove how their methodology for training teachers is unique?
I apologize, in advance, if my conclusions are erroneous.
VSS I honestly couldn’t tell you. If you know anyone with a legal background, they are your best bet.
No problemo, Doc. I spoke to a friend of mine who is a lawyer in the Supreme Court. He also offered some advice — have emailed it to you.
Latha says:
HI TO ALL, NOW I HAVE REACHED A STATE FROM WHERE LIFE HAS BECOME VERY CLEAR TO ME , LET ME TELL EVERY ONE IN THIS PATH OF SELF REALIZATION THERE IS NO PHYSICAL GURU AND WE ARE OUR OWN GURUS AND WHAT THIS PHYSICAL GURU CAN DO IS GIVE GURU MANTRA AND GUIDE US WHENEVER ADVERSE SITUATIONS ARISE BECAUSE THIS PATH IS REALLY NOT VERY EASY, IT AT TIMES CAN ALSO BE LIFE THREATENING. if you are strictly attracted towards some one because of music and chantings and his blessings then he is truly not a guru but he is fulfilling his own desires and really not bothered about you. There will be many self realized people around the world but they don’t proclaim to be the guru etc. I am also enlightened to some extent to help you in this path you can feel free to call me on my no in Bangalore India 8050077773 or write to me on latasubu@yahoo.com
TO KNOW IF A PERSON IS SELF REALIZED OR NOT
YOU CAN ASK HIM THE FOLLOWING QUESTIONS
AND THEN WRITE TO ME HIS ANSWERS.
I WILL TELL YOU IF HE IS REALIZED OR NOT…….
What is the mission of your organization?
What is enlightenment?
Are you enlightened.
Is it necessary for a person to have a physical guru?
What is the purpose of a physical guru.?
Can enlightenment be achieved by grace ?
Is this process of enlightenment safe?
What is the end result of enlightenment ?
Is it required to be vegetarian for enlightenment?
Is enlightenment open to animals also if not why?
Is enlightenment same for all human beings?
Are there different methods of enlightenment?
How are religion and enlightenment related.?
DON’T FALL INTO VICIOUS HANDS. BE SAFE……….
@Jr. Why are you surprised that Dr. Peter has been posting here for months, under all different names, and acting all different ways? He came her to bash the bloggers, then when the lawsuit started to fail against the blogmasters, he sweetened his tone (no doubt told to by Ravi Shankar). He’s just here to try to convert people away from reading the blog, the true experiences. He is just one more imbalanced, brainwashed AOL person willing to defend the sickening actions of Ravi Shankar and his inner circle, in order to get the “private meeting”. Dr. Peter is a big fake. Smiling on the outside and all ugly on the inside. Just like all the senior teachers. Typical. I’m not surprised to learn this at all.
Well, I guess you’re right that I shouldn’t be surprised. I was hoping he was sincere in his discussions with me. But now I see all these posts of his where he was supporting Harshal and Corrector, who were two of the most abusive people on this blog. Thank you Doctor for pointing this out. It seems the people who posts genuine discussion (like Doreen) are few and far between.
@ Jr. [June 2, 2012 5:14 pm]
I’m glad you’re relying on rational evidence. Please do read Dr. Peter’s recent posts again if possible. He is trying to sweet talk his way into manipulating readers psychologically. It’s very obvious.
Whether or not this behaviour is sanctioned by Mr. Ravi Shankar is not clear, but one thing is clear, Mr. Ravi Shankar tells members of AoL to not read this blog and to not comment on it. OA had mentioned this. And, therefore, most of them don’t. However, this doesn’t seem to apply to Dr. Peter who claims that he is an ardent devotee of his Guru. I wonder why he doesn’t follow his Guru’s instructions. Time will tell.