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Manipulation Through “Knowledge”

May 14, 2012

by Original Anonymous

Btw Doc .. I picked up the Daily Knowledge sutras book today to look for any visible signs for manipulations and I think I did come up with something..

When I read the 1st Knowledge sheet(June 21, 1995. Big Sur, California)

“This begins a new practice” … the 2nd last line of which says “Maya – delusion – is when you are stuck in events, personalities, or objects. Brahman – divine conciousness is seeing beyond all these ” ..

I was like wow this such a beautiful line. . surely this line clears a lot of things ..

.. but then when I opened the second knowledge sheet thats when I felt a little agitation ..

“Close to the master” 1st line of which says “If you are not feeling close to the master, its because of you – because of your mind, your ego concepts.” ..

immediately I realized where did the Guru chasing arise from. Yes Guru chasing was there back in the 80s too. But then there were not that many devotees and darshan used to be much more personal. I feel this is the sheet in which all the being close to the master thing arose…

The stage for competition to being close to the Guru was set.. so now the devotees to prove their spiritual growth had to seem close to the Guru.. and the Guru speaks more to the teachers than the volunteers.. he meets the teachers individually and the volunteers in a group.. he meets the devotees in even larger groups.. amongst teachers he gives more adoration to the teachers who teach the biggest courses.. etc etc

Hence the stage for getting more and more people was in the hands of the Guru .. the Guru had a chance to set up competition for probably giving better darshan to the person who helped the most people, who did some great random acts of kindness… but unfortunately the stage seemed setup for who gets the maximum people to the organization

In the second knowledge sheet (June 21, 1995. Big Sur, California) goes on to say further…

Q. When you play games with us and push us away, how can we feel close to you?

Sri Sri: You should feel more close if you are scolded or ignored, because to ignore somebody takes a lot of effort. When a master does not even ignore a wrapping paper or a flower in a vase, how can he ignore a walking, talking, breathing human being who is connected to him? Once you understand this you immediately feel close.

Torre: Can we call you every week?

Kenny: Call Guruji** every week, and if he doesn’t answer the phone, then you know you are loved!

….

** People around the world commonly address Sri Sri as Guruji(honored teacher)

Two things .. 1st is that convieniently the stage has been set up for multiple followers… even if you are ignored then the master loves you more.. hence no need to give personal darshans anymore … just ignore and the devotees will think the master loves them,. crave for more intimate interaction.. do more seva i.e. get more people n all … etc etc

2nd thing is that this knowledge sheet establishes him as “Guruji” the honored teacher…

The 3rd Knowledge sheet was on Sanchita, Prarabhdha karma.. didn’t see any manipulation and was about to move on when I saw a small “*” near the last line

And Satsang* burns the seed of all negative karmas before they are even given a chance to sprout.

..

*Company of the master, also refers to a group of people who come together to celebrate the knowledge

Now in this 3rd knowledge sheet the stage has been set up for the Satsang and deitification of the Guru, since now a group will form together to celebrate Satsang, the photo is going to be of the Guru, and obviously bhajans will be sung and hence people will feel high, they will associate the power of the mantras(including the Guru mantras) with the photo present in the satsang, hence the stage was set up for Sri Sri Ravi Shankar to become a divine avataar who has come up to relieve many of their negative karmas (I would like to add that I still love the bhajans and the satsangs , I am sure many of us do, but don’t visit them anymore). I kind of like Sri Sri becoz he makes people chant the name of the divine but then I also hate him coz he takes all the credit of being the divine himself. The positive I see is people chanting together and the negative is that somebody gets deified.

I would like to mention that I love the songs and the bhajans played at Art of Living, but then the question again arises can spirituality be judged by the mere sounds. If that was the criteria then Michael Jackson would have been the most spiritually enlightened person on the planet.

I could study three sheets today the first was really good and clean but No 2 seemed highly manipulative and No 3. was an extension of that manipulation. And its amazing how such a small little manipulation can catapult an organization and a human to such a huge scale .. 1995 weekly knowledge sheet started and 1996 onwards AoL really started picking up momentum ..

If there is somebody who was there during the 80s and during these times when the weekly knowledge thing started can probably shed more light on this subject, would request them to share their experiences and we can know whether the manipulation is introduced in the book or was there right from the start?

Regards
Original Anonymous

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51 Comments
  1. zhoro permalink
    May 14, 2012 12:28 pm

    The most powerful lies are those that are 99% truth. The statements in the knowledge sheets are true if the term “The Master” refers to the unsullied, witness consciousness that is the core of everyone. In AOL, it refers to the person of Ravi Shakar and thus the circus is perpetuated.

    • Anonymous permalink
      May 14, 2012 3:39 pm

      This is a very good point, zhoro. And, btw, is one known well by Ravi Shankar. When people leave him, he will take little facts about them, and then add 99% lies to those facts. People listening know the facts are true, and so don’t suspect that he is lying or defaming the individual that is being gossipped about. It’s really an evil thing. For example, person xyz is known by everyone to have done their shopping in town on a particular day. Ravi Shankar might would say “xyz went shopping as is his usual thing on Mondays, as you all know, and that is where he did this terrible, awful, unthinkable thing. xyz is just so disturbed! We should avoid xyz at all costs.” People listening are too stupid to realize that 99% of what RS just said is a lie about person xyz. He does this consistently, and with apparent malice, wanting to actually hurt reputations, and destroy friendly connections between people who leave his organization and friends they made there. Sick Sick Sick. I’ve seen it done, and had it done to me as well. Only when someone is extremely close to person xyz, will they see through the lie. And those people invariably leave when they realize how mean and nasty this “master” can be when crossed.

  2. VSS permalink
    May 14, 2012 1:20 pm

    Thanks a million, OA. For me, owing to personal reasons, this is one of the most significant posts on this blog. I cannot begin to tell you how this “knowledge” trickled into my universe through someone I believed in more than I believed in myself, and ripped apart my universe. If I could, I’d take AoL to court on the content of these “knowledge sheets” alone. The harm that they have caused me is immeasurable. I have yet to recover from having my mind ransacked by the contradictory content contained in these “knowledge sheets” — it’s only after studying how brainwashing is accomplished that I realized that contradiction is at the heart of brainwashing — the idea is to make people helpless by confusing them — so that they have to lean on someone — for an interpretation — and then the person one leans on — destroys one’s mind — one’s sense of oneself — one’s confidence — one’s faith — and then plants anything that person wishes in one’s head. Usually, these are delusional ideas — such as in the Torre instance that you’ve quoted. I can’t even believe that I bought any of it — but I did — I bought all of it. Now I know that “brainwashing” is the trade secret of AoL and I sincerely hope that Skywalker’s lawyer demystifies the process through which AoL accomplishes it — whenever an opportunity presents itself in court.

    • Original Anonymous permalink
      May 16, 2012 2:17 pm

      @VSS .. you are welcome .. I am glad my post helped you ..

      If I could, I’d take AoL to court on the content of these “knowledge sheets” alone.

      @Doc .. I think we must have a page(Probably called post your evidence ) where we can post something which is concrete evidence .. .sometime back I read somebody had dug out something about Invitex pharma where the narsimhans had a share … something like this .. so that if ever one of us decides to go and sue in the court we have some evidence to back us up …

  3. Anonymous permalink
    May 14, 2012 3:21 pm

    can someone ask VSS to write little less

    • Jr. permalink
      May 14, 2012 6:13 pm

      Why should anyone have to write less? Just let it be.

      Back to topic at hand… this is an excellent post. As many have pointed out, the knowledge points are mostly good, but you have to take away the Guru part and replace it with honoring God/divine/nature (whatever you believe) instead.

    • VSS permalink
      May 14, 2012 9:14 pm

      @ Anonymous [May 14, 2012 3:21 pm]

      I would appreciate it very much if you would share your valuable perspective on knowledge sheets and how they benefited you. Have you ever read them or have you never read them? I would also appreciate it if you didn’t read what you don’t have to read. Someone very wise once said that “the best way to not read something is by not reading it”.

    • Dayalu permalink
      May 14, 2012 9:20 pm

      @Anonymous May 14, 2012 3:21 pm

      I tried, but gave up

      • VSS permalink
        May 15, 2012 9:04 am

        @ Dayalu [May 14, 2012 9:20 pm]

        This thread is for sharing your perspective about “knowledge sheets”. I would appreciate it very much if you could share your precious perspective on “knowledge sheets” with readers. Thank you and have a nice day!

      • Anonymous permalink
        May 15, 2012 9:38 am

        @ Anonymous and Dayalu

        I can only feel sorry for us peoples!

      • VSS permalink
        May 15, 2012 12:09 pm

        @ Anonymous [May 15, 2012 9:38 am]

        Incidentally, this thread is for sharing one’s perspective on “knowledge sheets”. Would you be so kind as to share your perspective on “knowledge sheets”? Thank you and have a nice day.

    • Mangal permalink
      May 15, 2012 1:38 am

      VSS was dumped because she talks too much – constantly yapping away on everything. I bet that guy felt so harassed that he decided to join the Ashram insted

      • Jr. permalink
        May 15, 2012 2:55 am

        Another compassionate and constructive comment from another spiritually enlightened member of Art of Living. Seems someone needs to re-read the knowledge books to remove the asshole within himself.

      • May 15, 2012 3:15 am

        Relax Mangal ….. Your comment is biased / judgmental and chauvinistic. Everyone should be allowed their perspective. While you are entitled to yours. However, I think you kinda crossed the line here…because there are somethings that are best kept to oneself. What makes you an expert on VSS or on her Ex ? Just because you read a few lines of what she wrote…that too incompletely ? ….do make your point …but you don’t have to speculate and write hurtful stuff as you did above. How can you know ? How can anyone know about such things ?

      • VSS permalink
        May 15, 2012 6:55 am

        @ Mangal [May 15, 2012 1:38 am]

        I would appreciate it very much if you could share your precious perspective on the “knowledge sheets” and how they benefited you? Have you ever read them? Did they ever benefit you? Please illuminate readers. Thank you and have a nice day!

  4. May 14, 2012 5:06 pm

    I joined AOL in 1990. When I joined the guru devotion was already there. It was very sweet and personal. SSRS was very accessible. Guru adoration is a Hindu tradition and I think it works fairly well if there is the give and take of a personal relationship. It was my observation that the give and take of a personal relationship kept the excessive craziness of guru adoration in check in the early days. As the organization got bigger that give and take wasn’t able to happen. The guru became mythologized in people’s minds. Once that started to happen all kind of craziness started to happen. The competition for “Daddy’s” attention and favor became a major dynamic within the group. From that need for love and approval sprung a thousand dysfunctions.

    In looking back, I don’t fault SSRS for those dysfunctions. They were all devotee generated. What I fault him for is not addressing these dysfunctions more directly and mitigating their impact. He did it half-heartedly and the 2nd knowledge sheet was an attempt to do that. When it said, “If you are not feeling close to the master, its because of you – because of your mind, your ego concepts.” he was trying to make the point that whether you are close physically to the master or not you can be close to the master by dropping this idea of separation. This was to help those who weren’t close to feel close to him. It was an attempt to curb the jealousy and competition. It didn’t really work.

    Where he made a mistake, in my opinion, was that he still supported the myth that the guru is God and without any flaw or defect. As long as this idea was promoted (whether passively or actively), you will get excessive competition and dysfunction. Who doesn’t want to be close to perfection, to God? And who isn’t going to do everything in their power to get God’s approval?

    SSRS keeps the myth of the guru alive and well in his organization. As a result, he can’t help but have a very dysfunction organization. By doing that, he paints himself into a very dysfunctional corner. Unfortunately, I don’t think he sees his part in it very clearly. Until he does, his organization will continue to fall further and further into destructive cult-dom.

    • Anonymous permalink
      May 15, 2012 1:10 pm

      He actually encouraged the ‘chasing’ behaviors you describe and many of us witnessed, and even participated in. He wants people to chase him around. He loves it. It’s really sick. And that dysfunction is not the only nor the worst dysfunction he and the organization has. Because I do not wish to be sued for “defamation” (I would be telling the truth, but why would he care?) I cannot go into any detail, but from the very beginning, Ravi Shankar was not who he seemed or claimed to be. I know this from people very close to me who corrected my misperceptions, and explained what he had done to them. It was truly sad. At first I didn’t believe them, and then, as he began to mistreat and judge me, I realized they were correct. All of us eventually left. Those who stayed behind are the most disturbed people I’ve ever met.

      • Anonymous permalink
        May 16, 2012 3:40 am

        Once we were all told by the senior teachers that we should sit orderly and be very disciplined when guruji comes to give darshan. so we followed the instructions. And guruji came and seeing us sitting in an orderly manner said, “so there will be no chaos, no fun”. He did not like us behaving in a disciplined manner. He wanted to be ‘chased’ by people. And suddenly the crowd became chaotic.

        He wantonly encourages ‘chasing’ as that is his way of informing about his celebrity status to the new comers. And also to keep the old timers interested in him.

        People brag about their ‘talking to guruji’ or special attention bestowed on them by guruji in the aol circles. And the newbies in the aol circle imagine him to a superhuman being and think of having similar experiences so that they too can brag in their circle. So the ‘chasing’ thing filters down to the local satsang centers.

  5. Anonymous permalink
    May 14, 2012 6:34 pm

    Did anyone watch HHSSRS’ Happy birthday celebrations? One of the teachers announced on the Happy occasion that Our beloved Gurudev can now be followed on twitter. The teacher somehow forgot to mention about Facebook. So our loving Gurudev promply added that he could be followed on Facebook too.
    So Sangatchatvam! come lets all move together with the BIG MIND 🙂

    • May 15, 2012 3:48 am

      Ohhhhh !!!! Did he forget also to mention his own INVESTMENT in Social Media Networking ????

      They have their own social media network now. Pl visit https://www.one-world-family.org/

      1. On their own server sites.
      2. Under their control.
      3. Hosted by them.
      4. Monitored by them.
      5. Moderated by them.
      6. Sumerusoft does ethical hacking as a professional service. Hence they can track your ip address.
      7. They will know who you are socialising with and everything about you.
      8. They can read all your messages (remember inside AOL there are no laws in privacy / intellectual prop…..HAHA …Copyright !!! and TMs)
      9. With the click of a button you can post on facebook they say….and there goes your privacy.
      10. This is the official reporting and control system that they have over you. And you would have volunteered into it.
      11. The ultimate devotee database ready to be milked.

      As with anything the intent of the user / developer / initiator is key. The tool by itself is just a tool. What it is going to be used for is what is important. Also all the security measures against mis-use have to built into the system in advance. Thats when it is well thought out and mature. In fact, users should be able to take their own security measures. Please visit

      http://www.fox23.com/news/local/story/Child-Porn-On-Facebook/dIdotUGhyUK1_eSCktXMYA.cspx

      The above is some truth behind some of what happens on facebook. Is it really worth it ? Is it harmless to some and harmful to just a few ?

      Its time to be alert. This AOL networking site is going to be no different in terms of wanting to exploit. Except in this case, a handful of people control you…its not an open system such as facebook. “You can join only by invitation”.

      For those of you who think that there are very limited such happenings…..you may be shocked to know the real numbers. A much publicized and wel made program says 53% of India’s kids have been sexually molested. Over 50% of them are male kids. Watch Aamir Khan’s Satyameva Jayate on Star Plus. The numbers are mind boggling and extremely shocking. While shocking, the case studies are also immensenly educational and well done. By no means, am I implying AOL is into Child Abuse or anything remote.
      I am making a general statement that SOCIAL MEDIA Platforms are an open invitation to be exploited. This AOL social media platform is no different in the sense of the future potential to exploited. Do also think about the below

      1. What can be AOL’s express intent behind building it ?

      2. Why reinvent the wheel ? They could have just used Facebook … No ? But then with facebook you don’t control the messages and the content and the database. And anybody can say anything. You want a controlled environment.

      3. Check facts about facebook…its cost 10s of millions of dollars to develop the software and host it.

      4. Why then should AOL do their own thingie ? That too when your recent marketing events all lost a lot of money (Berlin).

      5. Even if you did not spend 10s of millions, you would have spent at least 1 million dollars setting up the same ? That means you feel that there is a tremendous need to have this. Did all your devotees ask for it ? Or did you conceive of it…so you can keep track of your devotees ?

      6. SriSri is enlightened…he can keep track of you anytime anywhere. So, is this for the less enlightened 2nd tier to keep track of the flock ?

      7. Whose idea was this ?

      8. Who funded this ?

      9. What is the rationale behind the effort ?

      Devotees Beware —..This is a very dangerous and even parasitic control mechanism …it is a pretty desperate and exploitative development if you ask me.

      • Anonymous permalink
        May 15, 2012 9:33 am

        @ IO

        I had sent a mail requesting for online blessings and guess what? my email id was hacked. I thought that was a coincidence. Could it be possible that AOL’s been hacking ids to probably confirm that its a genuine request?
        Such cheaters they are! When the teacher missed out mentioning about Facebook, the restlessness and feverishness on our beloved Master’s face was clearly visible.

      • Original Anonymous permalink
        May 16, 2012 8:22 am

        “you would have spent at least 1 million dollars setting up the same”

        .. no in AoL its all free … coz its done by volunteers … There is a web team which is dedicated towards setting up websites and handling the organization online .. and they work for peanuts ..

        What can be AOL’s express intent behind building it ?

        Ofcourse having a database for courses, marketing their events and courses, nothing more or probably nothing less.

        4. Why then should AOL do their own thingie ? That too when your recent marketing events all lost a lot of money (Berlin).

        Aol does not lose money because they never really spend any .. its mostly sponsors or local volunteers generate the same . ..

      • Wilson permalink
        June 9, 2012 2:14 am

        Now you’re just making things up. I work for Sumeru. There is no “ethical hacking” or any other kind of hacking going on. There is no effort to discover anybody’s identity or find out who you are connected to through social networking.

      • VSS permalink
        June 9, 2012 1:24 pm

        @ IO [May 15, 2012 3:48 am]

        Here’s what you need to know about Wilson / Juju who is playing a nasty game with the readers of this blog:

        https://aolfree.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/the-truth-hurts/#comment-12983

  6. Original Anonymous permalink
    May 15, 2012 6:08 am

    @DW

    When I joined the guru devotion was already there. It was very sweet and personal. SSRS was very accessible

    I can feel it in your words .. it has been my experience too.. whenever there have been very few people around him those kinds of darshans have been very sweet . . even till very late .. but those kinds of moments are now kind of hard to come by ..

    Do you think he could be teaching somebody something? Or has he lost it ?

    Do you think he has a bigger vision in the world which is why he has to ignore his sincere disciples and focus on the rowdies ?

    I heard about some 1999 thing from a senior teacher .. that those who have come to him on or before 1999 are really a part of him/will be enlightened/etc( I have heard quite a few versions). That teacher was basically bragging about having done the course before 1999.

    Guru worship is a very common thing in India and its very beautiful too, but only when its a Guru – Disciple relationship .. when it becomes something like a celebrity – fan relationship then things can get really messy esp for the sincere ones ..

    • Anonymous permalink
      May 15, 2012 1:15 pm

      LOL @ the idea that any of the senior teachers will ever be anything like enlightened! First they have to stop being abusive, cruel and stop throwing tantrums over small things. I read this and laughed, knowing some of them too well. They live in a bubble of fantasy.

      • JuJu permalink
        June 9, 2012 2:18 am

        Sounds like you would be happy as a clam if these senior teachers had treated you with the respect you deserve. Sounds like you are still very hurt and you are lashing out anonymously through this online forum. What did they do to you that hurt you so badly that you cannot get past it?

      • VSS permalink
        June 9, 2012 7:16 am

        @ Anonymous [May 15, 2012 1:15 pm]

        Please be cautious. Please don’t divulge any information that could jeopardize your safety. Don’t forget what happened to Skywalker and Klim.

  7. VSS permalink
    May 15, 2012 7:29 am

    http://riteshjgd.tripod.com/GuruGanga.html

    Weekly Knowledge #3 California
    29 Jun 1995

    Some karma can be changed and some cannot.

    When you prepare halwa, if sugar is less or ghee is less, water more or less, it can all be adjusted, repaired. But once soji is cooked, it cannot be reversed.

    If the buttermilk is sour, milk can be added, salt can be added to make it drinkable. But it can never be reversed back to milk.

    Prabdha karma cannot be changed. Sanchita karma can be changed by spiritual practices. Satsang burns the seed of all negative karma.

    When you praise someone, you take on their good karma. When you blame someone you take on their bad karma.

    Know this and surrender both good and bad karma to the Divine and be free.

    My humble observations about the above:

    >> Very manipulative use of the word “blame”.

    >> There is no concept of owning responsibility or of anyone else being accountable.

    >> What should corrupt politicians do?

    >> Should they surrender their good and bad karma to God?

    >> What should common citizens do?

    >> Should they not hold politicians accountable?

    >> This is not Hinduism. Hinduism has the concept of “praayashchit”.

    >> “Praayaschit” involves making it up to people one has wronged.

    >> Why is AoL “blaming” Skywalker and Klim?

    >> Are they acquiring the bad karma of Skywalker and Klim intentionally?

    >> Praising or blaming does not lead to any transfer of karma. This is false.

    >> Stating a falsity as if it were a truth is one of the classic tools of brainwashing.

    >> The knowledge sheet in and of itself is judgmental.

    >> It takes a very cynical stand with regard to human beings and God.

    >> Those who take a dip in the Ganges also think they washed away their sins.

    >> Does taking a dip in the Ganges wash away one’s sins?

    >> Sins have to be faced. Factors triggering sins have to be faced.

    >> God is not a punching bag nor should be reduced to one.

    >> God is supposed to be the inspiration behind good karma.

    >> Again, contradiction is planted through the halwa and milk examples.

    >> Either all karma can be surrendered or it can’t be.

    >> Either the knowledge sheet applies across the board or it doesn’t.

    >> Confusion through contradiction is created to create the need for a “Guru”.

    >> Then, the Guru has a field day — indoctrinating whatever he wishes to the hilt.

    I’d like to add that I got severely brainwashed by this “knowledge sheet” not too long ago. It’s only after reading this blog that I faced the extent to which I had been brainwashed and the intensity with which I had been brainwashed.

    • D-Seeker permalink
      May 16, 2012 9:51 am

      @VSS
      VSS dudette I love you.Write and express,dont listen to anyone.You doin a fab job sweety.

  8. Anonymous permalink
    May 15, 2012 9:42 am

    by allowing VSS to post here, you guys are doing her more harm. She should be encouraged to take professional help.

    • VSS permalink
      May 15, 2012 12:12 pm

      @ Anonymous [May 15, 2012 9:42 am]

      It so happens that this thread is meant for sharing one’s perspective on “knowledge sheets”. Please kindly share your perspective on “knowledge sheets” with all readers. Thank you so much and have a ravishing day!

    • Anonymous permalink
      May 15, 2012 1:17 pm

      Why do you care why VSS posts here? When I’m very busy and see one of her long posts, I just skip through it. Nobody requires me to read it. Yes, her experience is limited in Art of Living, but it happened to her, and imagine how many thousands of others could be saved deeper involvement by seeing that he/she got out (why does everyone say ‘she’? Do they know this person?) If all that is accomplished is that VSS gets to talk in a sympathetic environment about the bad experience of AOL, it’s enough. Why are people bashing this person? I couldn’t care less the lenght of the posts.

      • Wilson permalink
        June 9, 2012 2:22 am

        How is it helping people if they can download the supposedly harmful SK from this site? Seems hypocritical to me. Makes me question her true motives. Feels more like revenge.

      • VSS permalink
        June 9, 2012 7:09 am

        @ Wilson [June 9, 2012 2:22 am]

        “The supposedly harmful SK” CANNOT BE DOWNLOADED FROM THIS SITE. Please don’t indulge in white lies just because you feel like targeting people. Please check your facts or your true motives will only get reiterated. What a lame attempt to demolish someone’s credibility. Won’t ever work.

      • VSS permalink
        June 9, 2012 1:26 pm

        @ anyone who is reading

        Here’s more about Wilson / Juju and his / her motives:

        https://aolfree.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/the-truth-hurts/#comment-12983

  9. May 15, 2012 10:02 am

    VSS wrote-Now I know that “brainwashing” is the trade secret of AoL

    True VSS.. This is central theme of AOL from where all the tentacles of sins arise. Kindly highlight this more n more.

    • VSS permalink
      May 15, 2012 12:30 pm

      @ anonymus critical [May 15, 2012 10:02 am]

      I shall definitely try my best to highlight this central theme of AoL more and more. These “knowledge sheets” embody this central theme particularly well. They successfully demolished my existence for a really long time and caused me immense harm.

  10. Anonymous permalink
    May 15, 2012 12:50 pm

    @VSS:

    How do you know that you are not brainwashed now? May be these blog owners are using you to further their cause!

    I dont understand how you could be brainwashed though…one needs a fukin brain for that to happen…

    • VSS permalink
      May 15, 2012 9:43 pm

      @ Anonymous [May 15, 2012 12:50 pm]

      What, according to you, is the “cause” of “these blog owners” ?

  11. Anonymous permalink
    May 15, 2012 12:56 pm

    why would the blog-owners not ‘out’ the anti-aol people like VSS who are posting with different names?

    • VSS permalink
      May 15, 2012 9:50 pm

      @ Anonymous [May 15, 2012 12:56 pm]

      I’m not anti-AoL, I’m for reforms in AoL.
      Would you also like to see some reforms in AoL ?

  12. Govind permalink
    May 16, 2012 7:48 am

    Great. Thanks for reviving these sheets from the first books.
    Its been a long time since I’ve been to them cuz of all the newer books.
    Please post the whole sheets when you have time. Thanks. Jgd.

  13. D-Seeker permalink
    May 16, 2012 9:18 am

    648,552 hits on 8th May 2012.

    661,700 hits on 16th May 2012

    That is 13148 Hits in 8 days. Approx 1650 people per day.
    Badhiyaaa Hai !!!

    • Anonymous permalink
      May 16, 2012 7:03 pm

      D-Seeker, from where do you get this data? Can we get a country-wise cut?

  14. stupidseeker permalink
    May 16, 2012 4:36 pm

    @ The doctor,
    Didn’t know where to post this, so i thought I might as well do it here.Pls. feel free to move it anywhere you think fit.

    in April 2012 a “guru” sangamam was held in delhi where the whole motley crowd of “enlightened”beings gathered for a tête-à-tête in this physical world. You can see the whose who of the spiritual crowd here, from jaggi vasudev of isha to maheshwarananda of YIDL.

    and our very own ravi shankar ji punditji maharaji has been elected convenor of the same LLLOOOLLL, subordinate to jaggi vasudev of isha. LLLOOLLL Dont these guys have even a modicum of shame.

    http://spiritualgateway.org/officebearers.html

  15. Original Anonymous permalink
    May 17, 2012 4:43 pm

    our very own ravi shankar ji punditji maharaji has been elected convenor of the same LLLOOOLLL, subordinate to jaggi vasudev of isha

    Isn’t this a good thing? And isn’t it a gracious move on his part to accept an official position which is lower than another spiritual teacher?

    He does score a point in my diary becoz of this particular move of his.

  16. belle permalink
    May 20, 2012 12:53 pm

    Zhorro “The most powerful lies are those that are 99% truth. The statements in the knowledge sheets are true if the term “The Master” refers to the unsullied, witness consciousness that is the core of everyone. In AOL, it refers to the person of Ravi Shakar and thus the circus is perpetuated.”

    In a nutshell yes. I am from a different cult but we were brainwashed in exactly the same way.

    @VSS- I really donot see why you should curb your comments. I’ve actually found them quite helpful so thankyou.

    • VSS permalink
      May 20, 2012 6:51 pm

      @ belle [May 20, 2012 12:53 pm]

      I won’t curb them — thanks a million for your support — it really helps as I’m still recovering from severe brainwashing — my mind was completely enslaved — not too long ago.

  17. Anonymous permalink
    June 9, 2012 1:17 pm

    @JuJu June 9, 2012 2:18 am

    These were my obersvations of those teachers, not my experience of them. I listened to their complaints (a lot), how they had no where else to go, how overworked they are, blah blah blah. I didn’t want their respect, as you put it. They didn’t do anything to me. But they were rude and horrible to others quite often. They threw immature tantrums over the slightest possible, even imagined hurt from other teachers. They were competitive with each other. I found it disgusting and not at all spiritual. So I left. The strangest thing was that SSRS himself never did anything to stop their behaviors, and, in fact, indulged in those behaviors himself. It seems that you are here because you are unhappy with Art of Living, so you are posting anonymously as “JuJu” trying to get somebody who knows better to agree with you about how great your master and his business is. Sorry, no can do, dude. I’m quite unhappy to observe that SSRS and his organization is ruining lives, getting youth to leave their careers and even families to do his work for free, or for pay. It’s getting hard to get good work with such a huge population. He’s taking advantage of that situation. What will these people do when they realize the truth about AOL? Where will they go?

  18. Anonymous permalink
    June 10, 2012 4:21 am

    People. Who do not Understand that there cd re astro project is very dangerous due to the last part has been left out and changed to only what aol wants you follow i for see many paths of someone dying f rom improper instructions on the tape for they never ask you to ask your guides and angels and protect you Instead you end in euforia lost and then they have you Before anyone trys any kind of teaching like aol they should be licenced and fully trained food for thought Also skywalker cosider startng a goverment plan to places like this need to checked and monitored talk is cheap action speaks louder the wordw Getting a list of suppoter to shut it all down God bless you fight to win and save lives the money there gettin g could help so many in Canada. Clas acton and all goverment doors should investigate asp ty star child

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