The Truth Hurts – Part 2
drpetersutphen 2012/05/19 at 2:34 pm
Dr., I realize we actually can have a conversation about the assertion regarding the SK tape and grace being present only with a AOL teacher. I still assert that such a claim was never made on my basic course,but… It seems like such a claim has been reported by some. So, let’s say such an assertion has been made. If I remember your original question it was if the SK tape only works with a teacher present, then why did it work for you or others when an AOL teacher was not present? Is that right? By “working” I assume you mean you had the same experience from SK regardless of the absence or presence of a teacher. I’ll stop here and wait for your response….if you want to respond!!
@Peter,
I honestly don’t think there’s anything more we can discuss on this matter on this blog as I have said everything I can possibly say to you and if we were to continue in this manner, we would just be going round in circles.
However, I am also willing to give you the benefit of the doubt so I would like to propose something which I believe will be of tremendous benefit to everyone here, including you. I am not so much interested in showing that you are lying about your knowledge of these issues as I am in the issues themselves. After all it is these very issues we are discussing that underlie many of the criticisms raised on this blog against Art of Living. And as such, I want to make every effort to get to the bottom of these issues.
So what I’d like to propose it the following. You tell us you were completely unaware of the myth propagated by many in Art of Living, especially teachers, that the kriya tape doesn’t work unless a teacher is present. A teacher being someone who has undertaken the Art of Living TTC course. Ok, let’s assume that you are telling the truth. Through this blog, you have now been made aware of this. You have further been made aware of the fact that those who undergo TTC are conditioned to believe this myth about the kriya tape because this is what happens as a result of a number of processes carried out during TTC. Just to be clear, I am stating this as a fact: Art of Living teachers believe this myth about the kriya tape. They believe that they become channels through which “Guru’s Grace” will flow, and it is this “grace” which is responsibile for what kriya participants experience.
Now, since you claim you were unaware of this, hearing this must be quite surprising to you. Especially as you have already told us “I’ve always viewed SK as a pure technique just like a mantra meditation.” (drpetersutphen 2012/05/18 at 11:00 pm). If you really are surprised about this, wouldn’t it be a good idea to start a discussion with people in Art of Living on this very subject and see what they have to say about it?
I am guessing someone who has been in AoL for 20 years must know quite a lot of teachers by now, and at least a few senior teachers as well. In fact, from what you’ve said you probably know RS himeslf right? So, why don’t you send out an email to all these teachers, senior teachers and even RS. Tell them about this very issue you’ve discovered about the kriya tape, that you were very surprised to hear this as you had no idea. Tell them further that this myth is actually a lie – again, I am stating this as a fact because I and many others have proven it and it can be repeated by anyone – and as such, you are deeply concerned that this lie is being propagated at all. You are especially concerned that those who take the AoL TTC course are conditioned to believe this lie, and that you question why this is taught at all.
Additionally, you can also broach the other subject which you are currently discussing at the moment, which concerns the safety of SK itself. Tell these same teachers that you have heard that SK has produced harmful effects in a number of practitioners. Again tell them this is something you are quite surprised to hear as you were under the impression (the impression which Art of Living gives the world) that SK is completely harmless and has no negative side effets. It would also be good if you asked them if during TTC they are taught what to do in the event that something does go wrong with a particular participant who practices SK. Are they medically trained in any way to deal with such eventualities?
It would be great if you can put all these things down in an email and start a discussion in as many AoL circles as you know. In fact it would be far more beneficial to everyone including yourself if you did this than if you spent your time on this blog discussing these matters with anyone here. You already have a very good picture of what the views of those posting here are as we’ve more than adequately shared all our experiences and opinions here and I don’t think your discussing them further on this blog is going to achieve anything. But discussing these issues in AoL is a huge step indeed. And I think you would benefit greatly from anything you discover.
You are of course in no way obliged to do any of this. However I really don’t think this is asking a great deal of you, and if you are really sincere and genuinely want to find answers as we do, then maybe this is something you would consider doing. And if you decide to go ahead with it, please let us know and please come back and share with us everything you’ve learnt. We can all really benefit from this exercise.
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Beyond The Art of Living 
Compassion and sense… in abundance… excellent suggestion… very constructive…
“If you really are surprised about this, wouldn’t it be a good idea to start a discussion with people in Art of Living on this very subject and see what they have to say about it?”
Then they would know Dr Peter was reading the Blog….No ? Afterall, did we not read that Dr Peter was only representing himself thus far and not a front for any AOL inner circle or group. So, if the AOL inner circle knows Dr Peter is reading the BLOG… he is already tarnished. His AOL career is over.
Lets say that is not the case, for one to do as the DFB has suggested (ie write to the inner circle or to a familiar teacher group) the following are mandatory precursors and pre-qualfiers
a. You have to care for the truth.
b. You need courage
c. You do not hesitate to back yourself
d. The above really meaning that your self esteem is intact ….with or without AOL in your life… after all you may have potentially adverse learnings as a result of your questioning.
e. This actually means that you don’t need anything ( story, association, Guru….and such ) to feel good about yourself. ie You do not have any padding on top of an event/fact. You can take it as it is. You can see it as it is. This means you generally do not evade things…specifically in this case it is very true. You are a direct and head-on kinda guy/gal.
f. If such is the case, you clearly do not anymore need a Guru to tell you stuff about you..
But me…I know what it means not to have a Guru…..its crazy confusing, I know I need a Guru. Its good like that. He makes me feel good about me. Thats because @ anytime he knows more than me. And I have access to him at anytime. We are not equal. He is greater than me. There can you see, why I need him ?. Without him, I will not be able to figure things out. I am not really that capable (read low self esteem), it takes many many janmas / incarnations of working on the truth to be able to know what the Guru knows (Story). Maan, its scary this…what would I do without his input/knowledge ? I am afraid …I would be so very lost without him. I make a resolution, no matter what this is crutch I cannot lose. I am going to keep it no matter what. So bloody what, I have to twist the truth a little…..its worth it…..at least I am still safe.
IO said, “Then they would know Dr Peter was reading the Blog….No ? Afterall, did we not read that Dr Peter was only representing himself thus far and not a front for any AOL inner circle or group. So, if the AOL inner circle knows Dr Peter is reading the BLOG… he is already tarnished. His AOL career is over.”
Ha ha! I’m ruined! Oh no!
Dr. Peter, it’s good that you are open enough to read and have conversations on this blog. Seriously. There are a lot of people in AOL who would consider it a lowering of one’s prana to read this blog and converse with the people on here. Don’t surrender your mind and keep questioning, that’s the best advice I could give you.
@ IO
Perhaps the following quote reveals an insight into the “greatest pretenses” that we often come across in all things AoL —
Our greatest pretenses are built up not to hide the evil and the ugly in us, but our emptiness. The hardest thing to hide is something that is not there. ~Eric Hoffer
Maybe that’s why the trade secret too is too tough to prove…it’s simply not there…
Psst… any links between him and Ganapati Sachchidananda? Both use the same devious methods… anyone has similar experiences with that chap?
Yeah…I noticed this too…..if anyone goes to GS’s setup in Mysore….some of the infrastructure is very similar…..in fact too too similar…..
The 2 of them have similar quirks …..they do all this slap stick comedy stuff……which a lot of Devotees seem to lap up and think is very funny…..Anyways….GOD loves fun remember ? God also writes books on that topic.
Mr GS actually moves around his Ashram in a small Electric Golf car. His inner circle is amazingly arrogant and insensitive…..yeah…they are similar in many many ways.
GS started off with a bang…..has some following….
AOL is more aggressive and popular…..don’t think he as good a con as his competitor
as an ex-devotee, I can say GS is as cunning and crooked in extracting money from innocent people as SSRS… misappropriation of funds is also rampant …. has top police officers & politicians under his control….
people, pls share your experiences about this man GS… let us eradicate this evil also….
If anybody asks a difficult question or opposes him, GS will put on a drama/shout to cover up his fault and shut the questioner
Ganapathi sachidananda is a wolf in sheep’s clothing… run away to save yourself and family…
Dr. said,”Now, since you claim you were unaware of this [that the kriya tape doesn’t work unless an AOL teacher is present], hearing this must be quite surprising to you. Especially as you have already told us “I’ve always viewed SK as a pure technique just like a mantra meditation.” (drpetersutphen 2012/05/18 at 11:00 pm). If you really are surprised about this, wouldn’t it be a good idea to start a discussion with people in Art of Living on this very subject and see what they have to say about it?”
Why would I do that? This is of a great concern to you Dr., not to me. Whether a SK tape “works” with or without an AOL teacher present is something that I just don’t care about. I do my SK practice without a tape every morning and it works just fine. I do SK in a group with a tape and it works just fine. I don’t notice any difference only that the longer SK in the group seems subjectively deeper.
Dr. said, “I am guessing someone who has been in AoL for 20 years must know quite a lot of teachers by now, and at least a few senior teachers as well. In fact, from what you’ve said you probably know RS himeslf right? So, why don’t you send out an email to all these teachers, senior teachers and even RS. Tell them about this very issue you’ve discovered about the kriya tape, that you were very surprised to hear this as you had no idea. Tell them further that this myth is actually a lie – again, I am stating this as a fact because I and many others have proven it and it can be repeated by anyone – and as such, you are deeply concerned that this lie is being propagated at all. You are especially concerned that those who take the AoL TTC course are conditioned to believe this lie, and that you question why this is taught at all.”
Well, why don’t you do that because it seems to be a huge concern of yours. It is not concern of mine. It doesn’t bother me. I know you’ll probably accuse me of “LYING” again and that I’m really, really upset by this discovery, but you know people can have different concerns than your concerns. Really!
He He He !!! Doc….you are funny !!!! So amazingly and naturally funny….that even you don’t know it.
Think about this…..So, what really is your concern THEN ? Why are you even on this Blog ?
This Blog raised a fundamental issue…..AOL lies about the Kriya tape. It creates contradictions (divide and rule). On this BLOG this is an issue that is under discussion.
But, guess what,……Dear Dr Peter, in spite of all his LIFE Style constraints…….actually spends a considerable amount of time posting and talking and referencing this specific point…which to him is a NON-issue. Especially when he has too little time to and so many identities to post under.
The below is Not @ Dr Peter (But Doctor Peter you are welcome to read it….after all it would be a non issue for you….LOL)
Dear God
….Me thinks you created something different….in a super being called Dr Peter
Who “Accepts People and Situations” for just what they are……
Manipulative, Corrupt, Exploitative and predatory….WOW…this is “business as usual”. ….to the great Dr Petersutphen……”none of these are issues”…..
….I was mistaken dear God….his spiritual career is not over….not yet…. ……..in fact far from it ….I have to take my words back………If I were you God, I would be a little scared….looks like this one is after your job……………he is able to find so much time, intensity and energy posting for something that is a NON-issue ……imagine what he can do when something does become an issue for him……God…..me thinks you are in trouble. Remember dear God…this Blog did warn you…..
@ drpetersutphen
It’s time for me to say goodbye to you and it’s time for you to say goodbye to me. I apologize profusely for all that I’ve said to you. I was simply not aware of the scope of your concerns. I misunderstood completely. I regret every conversation. But to err is human and I have learnt a precious lesson through my error of judgment. I won’t be mentioning you in any conversation henceforth. Nor shall I quote you. I hope you will be able to do the same. Effectively, I’ll shift-delete (read: request for permanent deletion) you from my mind and am requesting that you shift-delete (read: request for permanent deletion) me from your mind.
Goodbye and take care of yourself.
@ Doc.
I have been reading this blog since some time — and I’ve noticed that the only arguments that might represent AoL’s perspective — (and I’m referring to arguments not experiences where people said my teacher didn’t say this or said this) — are personal in nature.
The arguments either attack the Constitutional Rights of the critic or the arguments attack the mind of the critic.
However, I would appreciate it if you could share your perspective on this.
It is very possible that my reading is erroneous since I have not read each and every post on this blog and each and ever comment on it — yet.
@ Anyone who is reading
It would be very helpful if you could share your perspective on the same. I sincerely want to know if my reading of the underlying two themes of all arguments representing AoL — (meaning either the arguments attack the Constitutional Rights of a critic or the arguments attack the mind of a critic) — is erroneous or not.
Thank you.
Peter,
Thank you for not disappointing me. Honestly, I’m not in the least bit surprised by your resposne as I was expecting you to say something like that. All you’ve done is to confirm everything that I and many others have already expressed about you on this blog. I therefore stand by everything I have said about you on first part of this post and elsewhere on this blog.
I don’t really know what you’re doing here, but I do know that you have absolutely no interest in hearing any criticism about Art of Living and you certainly don’t want to acknowledge any of the concrete evidence we have on this blog because you’ve shunned it on so many occasions now.
There are two very serious issues at stake here, and you have told us that they do not concern you. Really Peter? This is surprising indeed. Especially as you were the one who challenged this blog by saying there was very little evidence.
I gave you clear proof that Art of Living was deceiving its followers, by outright lying to them by telling them the myth about the kriya tape. In so many places across this blog this has been discussed together with the implications of this lie. This is one of the biggest lies Art of Living tells its devotees, and it uses this lie to enslave people to the organization and to the kriya tape. And we all know that this lie is not something Art of Living wants exposed as it could potentially destroy them as an organization. Think of what would happen if all those teachers who have spent thousands of dollars on TTC training and other courses, who over and over again have had it drilled into them that they are becoming “instruments of the divine”, channels through which “Guruji’s Grace” will flow, if they discovered that the whole thing was a scam and they had been lied to all along? This would be absolutely devastating to most of them, because this will prove to them beyond the shadow of a doubt that Art of Living and RS has been lying to them about this and about a great many other things. To discover that one of the fundamental things they hold to be true is nothing more than an elaborate deception designed to make them surrender to the will of a devious and manipulative individual who has led them to believe that he is an enlightened guru? And yes, this does prove that RS has been using deception to enslave devotees.
Maybe you really don’t find this concerning, but if that’s the case then this speaks volumes about you as a person. You tell us you have been on a spiritual path for 40 years, yet you aren’t concerned that you are a part of an organization which is cheating people out of money by outright lying to them and brainwashing them in this manner? You are telling us you accept these lies and that they don’t concern you at all? You don’t care that Art of Living and RS is promoting Sudarshan Kriya by telling the world it is completley safe, while we have already produced enough evidence to show that it can also be harmful to people? You really aren’t concerned about any of this? And yet you are trying to tell us that you are somehow “spiritually evolved”?
Let me assure you right now, this is not how I would expect a spritually evolved person to behave. A spiritually evolved person would be open to any and all of these criticisms – you aren’t. A spritually evolved person wouldn’t lie to protect themselves and the organization they belong to – you have. A spiritually evolved person would have accepted my proposal in the above post and actually tried to inquire about these issues within the organization they were part of, especially if they were concerned about these things – you didn’t. A spiritually evolved person would certainly be extremely concerned if they were a part of an organization which was deceiving and manipulating its members in the manner which I have outlined above – you aren’t.
No Peter, your behaviour and conduct on this blog have clearly shown that you aren’t spiritually evolved in the slightest. You don’t care about the serious issues raised here at all, all you want to do is argue with people about them without actually considering the facts. And the manner in which you have done this tells us a great deal about you as a person. Really, you are no better than Harshal, in fact in some ways you are actually worse than he is. At least he doesn’t pretend to be nice when he lies and abuses people here, whereas you do. But you both have one thing in common: you both believe that to be spritual all one needs to do is to have blind, unquestioning faith in a man who claims to be a spiritual guru but who cannot offer any evidence of this. Neither of you behaves in a spiritual manner because neither of you realizes that there is a lot more to being spiritually evolved than just worshipping a guru. Things which are so simple and obvious to everyone else here, but which you cannot see because of your beliefs in RS.
You have had so many chances to express yourself here, but in all this time you haven’t even been able to get your story straight and you’ve had to change it so many times. I discussed this at length in the previous post and presented all the evidence which showed that you were lying. And even though I know you were lying, I was still prepared to give you a chance to show me otherwise, which is why I wrote this post. Well, you haven’t, and in fact you’ve ended up destroying any credibility you previously may have had. You really don’t care about the points of view expressed on this blog. All you care about are your own beliefs and about preserving these beliefs. Please don’t insult anyone’s intelligence here by trying to pretend otherwise.
Honestly, I wouldn’t waste your time posting anything else here. You’ve evaded so many key questions asked of you which show clearly that you are not interested in discussing things, I really don’t have anything more to say to you. You might find someone else who wants to talk to you, if so then good luck.
@ The Doctor [May 21, 2012 9:29 am]
Was reminded of the following quote after reading your post:
An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it.
Mahatma Gandhi
People in AoL will transcend the propagation about the SK tape and see the propagation for the lie that it is.
In fact I was told by my teacher Manisha Mehta that SK tape is a “live” tape. It keeps adjusting the “so-hum” rhythm as per the general mood of the audience group. So the same tape would play differently in different groups!
but the point Doc is
Dear blog owner,
if you are so concerned about this ‘whole big lie’ why dont you yourself go out and ask Art of Living people..
and excuse me
“SK works both when teacher is present or not” —oh really…then what is your big problem? just do it..it is amazing
Oh dear Peter, looks like you’re really getting desperate now! Do you realize how pathetic and childish this is? Do you realize how little integrity you must have to post these comments under another pseudonym hoping that we didn’t realize it was you?
Seriously, I would advise you not to write anything else on this blog because you are only damaging any hint of a reputation you might have had, and reinforcing everything we have said about the way Art of Living badly messes people up which it obviously has in your case.
For everyone’s benefit I have appended “(aka drpetersutphen)” to all comments left by you. This should also be useful to you as you’ve told us that you forget which aliases you post under – even when they contain your full name in them.
@Dr Peter, Great Peter! So glad you don’t care at all if Art of Living is lying, misleading people, harming many (see the blog, again). So go about your business and keep so-haming. Lovely for you dude! Your post here means you don’t care about me, or others like me, who have been abused and hurt by Ravi Shankar and his organization. So I don’t care about you either 🙂 Yay! We are now on the same page. So why don’t you go post all your praise of that little man and his henchmen on their wonderful blogs! They have them. Why not spend your valuable, not-caring time, there? You don’t care about anyone here who was harmed, so why bother posting here? Nobody here matters to you. It’s all one non-issue to you! Great! Byeeeeeeeeeee
@anonymous (aka..)May 21, 11:19, Sorry, dude, the point actually is: “since you are so grateful and pleased with Art of Living, and all their lies and misrepresentations and don’t care or take issue with any of it, please go post on a blog that just likes to praise Art of Living and SSRS? See you. Byeeeeeeee” This blog has itself pointed out all these things to Art of Living, and has been sued for it! How much more would you like the blog owner(s) to do? LOL
well, the point is, you came here asking to help, understand the blogger’s point of view, have a sane and mature discussion etc. no one invited you to do this. when a tangible point that could be cleared up has been identified, you are backing out. don’t think ordinary readers like me cannot see through you. all you have done is lost all credibility here.
Sorry dear ones, I`m repeating this reply since I didn´t realize I had it posted in the part 1 of this subject which is: Regarding AOL having the blog removed the instructions manuals on the grounds of copywright infringement: I wonder if the contents of those manuals have been analized by specialist in order to make sure that the instructions given as well as the methods of adocrtination are ethical and not dangerous to both mind/body of the attendants. Certain mean processes for example should be removed from the manual, otherwise one day a student might suffer a heart attack -or commit suicide- while undergoing “hot seat process” and the instructor will simply blame the manual. MY QUESTION IS: HAS THAT INVESTIGATION BEEN MADE BY THE CORRESPONDENT AUTHORITIES? IF NOT, SHOULDN´T BE EXCRUTINIZED BEFORE PUTTING THE WHOLE SUBJECT BEHIND? Greetings everyone!!!
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/43286
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: creation theory .. was: NY Times Sunday Magazine
I had an intertesting experience that might relate to
this in some form or fashion. On the Art of Living
advanced course I took about two months ago they had a
bookstore way in the back of the program room (it was
a very large, open series of rooms). After people left
the program room for lunch the bookstore opened and I
heard a tape playing some vedic chants. It was very
faint, but I heard Pundiji’s (Sri Sri Ravi Shankar)
voice singing very clearly. I knew there was no tape
of that type for sale so I got up and moved towards
the source of the tape. As I approached, the voice
very subtley shifted from a lower octave up into a
female voice range. I looked at the cd and it was
Punditji’s sister singing. So I walked back to the
program room and the voice shifted back down again
into Punditji’s voice. I did this a few times, walking
back and forth and the voice shifted everytime. His
voice was like a harmonic under the melody of his
sister voice. It was a pretty interesting experience.
I thought at the time maybe it’s the 50% similar DNA.
Who knows.
-Peter
@ all who are reading
The purpose behind posting the comment —
— is to simply say that Dr. Peter, if he were told about the Kriya tape not working without the presence of a teacher — would have believed what was said.
Therefore, to me, he appears to be genuinely mistaken about all things AoL.
He is seeing and hearing things that cannot be proved.
The same is the case with those who think Mr. Ravi Shankar is Lord Krishna.
They are genuinely mistaken.
To them, the demand for proof seems absurd and indicates incomplete surrender on the part of the disciple.
The above content was sent to me by my friend in the Bangalore Ashram who said and I quote:
“This is what happens when brainwashing is fully successful. Guruji changes the reality of people. After this happens, many people cannot return to normal.”
My friend is too afraid to post here as the sites he visits are being tracked. He is petrified of being discovered. But he asked me to post the above content as well as this note — on email.
So, for his sake, I have posted his inputs — to help his voice be heard.
@ Dr Peter
I understand where you’re at now — and it’s not your fault at all. I assure you that we will find a way to rescue you and many others. Please don’t worry and do what your heart says. Ultimately, the truth will prevail and you will be able to see the truth. I am certain.
@ Jr.
“Keep questioning” is the best mantra ever. Thank you for articulating it, and thank you for being the compassionate person that you are. I learn from you each time you post.
VSS, Since anyone doing anything to blow the whistle ends up like Mahantesh (now with his family being told, according to TOI that his murder was ‘personal’, bent on defaming him, indicating that the police are bribed as usual to find the wrong people and protect those involved at high levels in the land allotment mess), it’s no wonder that your friend is terrified to be found out by Ravi Shankar and Art of Living. It’s such a big company now, with so much money at stake, who knows what might ‘happen’ to whistleblowers there? Tell your friend to stay safe. You yourself do the same. I really think it’s better to post as “anonymous”. In India, where freedom of speech is not as protected when it comes to Swamis, and their purported ‘defamation’, a legal case like the one launched against this evidently foreign blog, would lose in India. Evidence the case won by AOL against an obvious lunatic named Bagga! I read exactly 5 lines of his blog when the link was posted here, and knew he needed a doctor. Yet the Delhi high court has ruled he should pay damages of over 2 crore to Ravi Shankar and Art of Living for ‘defamation’! People wonder why nobody who knows what AOL is wants to post “proof” they may have or to ‘bravely’ post their names. What a joke.
@ Anonymous [May 22, 2012 12:09 pm]
I appreciate your concern immensely.
And, I have relayed your words to my friend as well — on email — just now.
I consulted a friend of mine who is a lawyer in the Supreme Court. He said that if AoL goes to court in India and says that this blog should not allow Indian nationals to post, the petition will be dismissed instantly.
This is because there is no way for this blog to ascertain if an Indian national is posting. It is something that would be un-implement-able. One simply cannot know the nationality of a person through an IP address. A foreign national could well be posting on this blog while in India.
The only thing that can happen — and it won’t — but I’m just sharing with you what can potentially happen — is that the Government can somehow ban wordpress.
I’m saying this based on what happened in Pakistan recently — the Government banned twitter.
Still, if AoL would take me to court, I would instantly file a writ in the Supreme Court saying that my Fundamental Rights have been violated.
Fortunately, I would be able to quote Skywalker’s court case in the United States and the Supreme Court would would attract too much attention if they ruled in favour of AoL and the press would be all over AoL and the Supreme Court. They would find this blog.
Plus, writs come up for hearing every week. The case would be over in a few weeks. And, as soon as I file a writ, the defamation case in the lower court would be stayed.
AoL cannot risk that in India — unless it is managed by people who are more foolish than I thought.
The problem with the blog you mentioned was that the person who wrote the blog claimed that Mr. Ravi Shankar was messing with his mind and his sleep and his neighbours and the cats in the neighbourhood etc. etc.
All of that could not be proved.
For instance, Dr. Peter makes claims that cannot be proved.
Courts judge on “rational evidence”.
But, thank you for your concern. It’s appreciated immensely.
Guys any one has any estimate as to what would be the revenue of AOL as of today. I m sure it is a herculean task to find out the correct figure, but still if any one has a rough estimate, please reply and “enlighten” me along with other readers here.
You can obtain wonderful nuggets about Peter Sutphen’s connection to Art of Living from http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
He is quite intimate with SSRS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/49477
Cliff, I’ll be seeing him in Chicago in a few weeks.
Side mail me a photo of yourself so when I see him
I’ll show him the photo and your greeting. He’ll melt!
Punditj’s mom, Amma, died a few years ago. She was a
very sweet lady. I believe his dad is still alive. I’d
be pretty proud if I had a son like him!Amazing,
wonderful, kind man.
You can read astonishing past birth claims by SSRS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/44181
> I know when Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was asked why
> he worked so hard traveling around the world teaching
> he said that the last time he was here, he didn’t do
> very much. He also said that this is his 7th
> incarnation. But he might have been pulling his
> listener’s collective leg on the last one because he
> is a jokester.
> -Peter
Interesting. I heard from several people, 2nd hand, a few days after
the comments were made (they were made several times in samll lectures
on a car carovan from San Diego to Oakland course — proably summer of
95?) that he said he had only been here 3 times in the last 5000 years
— which of course raised speculation among the speculatively
(hyper-speculatively ?) inclined. While this is not necessarily
inconsistent with what you heard (did you hear it directly?) — 4
other incarnations could have been more than 5000 yrs ago — the
statements (if actually said and meant) would be contradictory if it
is the last 5000 years we are talking about.